@handsofqwerty Wish Granted:
http://teespring.com/sys_adm1?i=0

@Dashrender True. If it had been one of those Popup ads that played sound, I would have close it out. But as it were, i didn't hear anything, lol.

@Dashrender This is why I keep my computer sounds on mute. That, and for me to hear it, I'd have to turn it up loud enough everybody on my floor could hear it.

I am marvelling in how good my new boss is...

When your team comes to work on Monday and find these at their desks, you have a great boss!

When he tells you all to wear them on Friday, you have an awesome boss!

@g.jacobse It's always repairable... it is just a matter of do they really want to pay to repair that one or fork out $$ to buy a new one, lol.

@technobabble Report his {censored} <content removed by moderator> @)(#&$)@&#$ to the Feds.

@scottalanmiller said:

If you are going to license this stuff, it is going to be complicated because there are so many pieces. You need people paying for the features, not just parts of them, or it will all fall apart.

I will have to concede that point to you, because as you said, it is working for Microsoft... Guess they are adhering to the if it ain't broke don't fix it policy, lol.

<must not make comments about updates... must not make comments about updates>

@scottalanmiller said:

@dafyre said:

If you are only going to use the desktop bits, then you just pay for the desktop CAL. Users with Desktop CALs are licensed to access the servers.... and I don't mean 6 different versions of user-CALs either.

So are you planning to just give everyone (or more people) the premium features and lose money? Or do you plan on raising the pricing for nearly everyone even though they don't use the features?

What are the "premium features" in a desktop installation of Windows?

RemoteFX? Nah, that's a server thing.
Mobile Device Management? That is a server-side component with a small client on the end-user device.
Hyper-V? That could go either way.
Direct Access? Definitely a server thing.
Office 201x? That's a separate software package.
MS-SQL Server? That is a separate server service to be licensed separately from the Windows Server.

Has to be one or the other, right?

More often than not, yes. And in this situation, I think probably. I figure there are some ways to price a structure such as this without the company losing money, while also keeping the pricing structured well enough for both customers and businesses to benefit.

It would take a bit of thinking and tinkering, but I think it could be done.

@scottalanmiller said:

Linux doesn't do this, their desktops are more powerful, more stable, cost less and have no licensing issues at all.... yet people don't flock to them. Clearly the licensing isn't that big of a deal.

That is a whole other issue because the businesses that write the software for other businesses to use largely use Windows... and most SMBs are entrenched in WIndows because it appears to be easier to use than Linux / Mac.

@scottalanmiller said:

@dafyre said:

I don't think they do crazy or irrational things all of the time... But Why should there be 3 versions of windows for DEKSTOP PCs?

Why not? Customers seem to prefer it. Sell them what they like is a good way to do business. If customers cared, MS would do something else.

Arguably, I see your point there. I just think that not enough of us care to make Microsoft bat an eye. At least they appear to listen when enough people scream.

@scottalanmiller Eh. I've worked with the Apple Server a few times for setting up a few things for some clients . It is actually nice to work on (quite different, yes). But instead of having to buy a Windows Server for DNS and DHCP or spin up a Linux VM which would do the same things... (they already had bought the Apple Server piece), it was easy enough to install DHCP and DNS on an existing Mac and go.

It's definitely not what I wanted to do (personally, I would have used a Linux box for DHCP ad DNS, but that's a different story), but it did work, and it was easy, and we didn't have to fuss about with how many CALs do we need for this and that.

My point with that was that it would be feasible (if you asked me) to change to a CAL (subscription... ugh) based licensing system and still make money. If you need the server bits, pay for a server CAL. If you are only going to use the desktop bits, then you just pay for the desktop CAL. Users with Desktop CALs are licensed to access the servers.... and I don't mean 6 different versions of user-CALs either.

@nadnerB I'm working through ME2 now, when I have time.

@scottalanmiller said:

Most of the time, actually. I'm not sure why everyone thinks that they are going to do crazy, irrational things all the time. What licensing insanity is everyone thinking of that is prompting this? Sure, their products are expensive and sometimes difficult to license, but other than it taking work "for you" to track and it making them money none of it seems irrational.

I don't think they do crazy or irrational things all of the time... But Why should there be 3 versions of windows for DEKSTOP PCs? I like what Apple did... The "server os" is nothing but the desktop os with individual server functions sold as cheap addons... but I digress.

If your products are difficult to license then you are doing it wrong (for the customers), even if it is making you money.

@scottalanmiller Since when does Microsoft do things that make sense?

@scottalanmiller You never learn anything if you don't try, lol... Sadly, it is often better to learn from other people's mistakes.

I am currently managing a single Hyper-V Server for VDI (we have the second one, just haven't built it yet)... I'm not really seeing any major differences in how Hyper-V works and VMware works... I know the underpinning is totally different... but in functionality... I think they on-par.

@scottalanmiller said:

That's silly since they said that they were not monitoring it and they were just trusting you to only use 1TB as it is.

In two weeks you get a phone call: SAM, I see you are using 1.6 TB of source data on our free Unitrends package... Would you like to upgrade now?

@scottalanmiller I tawt I taw a tweety bird?

@handsofqwerty Agreed! I generally am up by about 7:15 or 7:30 though... except for the weekends.

Just saw this over on Spiceworks, and thought I would share...

http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/949858-it-training-for-wounded-veterans