@ajstringham said:

@Dashrender Originally, when it was per person, it was a 3 device/person limit. If you are the IT guy and using your account or any admin account for Pertino, this turns into a problem quick. I believe they have removed that since going to the new pricing scheme. One way or another there are tradeoffs. For someone with 5 devices it's more expensive. For most people it's more cost effective. I agree with the per person scheme. Very odd but they've moved away from that.

OK this makes more since, the limits bring it in line with the costs of the device pricing seen now, only it's more usable as you mentioned.

@ajstringham said:

@Dashrender said:

I just watched Scott's YouTube video on Pertino, not bad.

But unlike a traditional VPN solution - you need to setup each endpoint specifically in the Pertino cloud, right? This can get costly pretty fast considering the shear number of end points. Once a VPN solution is in place it's pretty much done. Granted there's a lot of upfront setup and that takes time and money sure, but I'm guessing the pay back for a small business would be under a year compared to the on going expenses of a subscription solution.

What am I missing?

No. You setup users and then when Pertino is installed they authenticate with those credentials and they're on. If you have 20 users with 60 devices total you don't have to setup for 60 devices, just 20 users. Also, a feature they added (FINALLY!) was being able to do batch adds. Used to be one at a time which was very limiting.

OK you don't have to spend the time provisioning all of the end point, but you do have to install Pertino onto all of them.

Here's a sample setup.
Corp office has 5 servers
remote office has 5 workstations.
With VPN I setup a P2P VPN between the firewalls and I'm done.

With Pertino I need to install the client on 10 devices (OK no big deal) but I have a monthly charge for this forever. Perhaps Pertino isn't intended as a point to point replacement.

@ajstringham said:

@dashrender Think about it. I think it was like $10/person/month before. Ok, so we have 8 users who only need one device each. That's $80. You have another 8 users who need 3 devices each. So that's also $80. So for 16 users that $160/month. Now, drop that down to, say $3/device. In the same illustration you have 32 devices. That means you've gone from paying $160/month to $96/month and it scales more easily. More efficient use of funds.

I agree it's going to be uncommon for the average user to have three devices so the new price point makes since, but I've never heard of this product before so I can't operate with the understanding that they used to have a per person plan.

Now all that said, what about a person like your boss who has a work laptop, a work desktop, a home laptop, iPhone, Ipad and who knows what else. In tech heavy companies it's not uncommon to see several people with 5+ devices now making those people cost quite a bit more than the rest. I suppose in the end it's a 'damned if you and damned if don't' type of situation.

I have push enabled on my work (Exchange) mail, but not my personal mail (doesn't help that Cox still doesn't have IMAP enabled).

But even though I have push enabled, I have my phone set to NOT provide alerts to new messages, so, like you I check them when I check them.

@ajstringham said:

Per device makes much more sense in my opinion.

Why?

I just watched Scott's YouTube video on Pertino, not bad.

But unlike a traditional VPN solution - you need to setup each endpoint specifically in the Pertino cloud, right? This can get costly pretty fast considering the shear number of end points. Once a VPN solution is in place it's pretty much done. Granted there's a lot of upfront setup and that takes time and money sure, but I'm guessing the pay back for a small business would be under a year compared to the on going expenses of a subscription solution.

What am I missing?

Am I correct in my understanding that for every person who wants to connect to their work PC either directly or through RDS will require at least two licenses of Pertino? one for office computer and one for the home computer? If the user wants to use their phone as well, that would be a third, and a second computer from home, that would be a fourth Pertino license?

wow.. these licenses per user can add up fast.

Doesn't MS have something like this... I can't recall the name of it now.

I agree with Scott, sounds like an IOPs issue.

Agreed, stop logging into a server unless absolutely necessary. Use RSAT from a Windows 8(.1) machine.

What makes Pertino secure? How is this different from Hamachi?

I wasn't online at all yesterday (sickness nearly killed me) but I had had this happening to me since the beginning primarily on the default browser on my S4.

I'll try it surfing from there later today and see if it is still happening.

@ajstringham said:

@jimk said:

Scott, I haven't checked, but do the OReilly books come in eBook format also?

Yuppers.

Even better they come without DRM!

I incorrectly started my GPOs in the default GP 10 years ago... like you I've moved away from this practice completely allowing me greater flexibility where needed.

That must be new for Freshbooks. I've used them on a very small scale, but only for invoicing. I it will be interesting to see for helpdesk options.

@ChristopherO said:

@ajstringham I tried Swype, and I was fast at times, but it didn't seem to get word accuracy down very well for me. I'd go slower because I'd swype and wait to see what word it picked - if I just tried to go I'd have a sentence that sounded like it came out of PSX'd drunken stupor. Or would that be when he's sober?

That's why I am trying out minuum.

I really enjoyed the Battlestar. Galactica, so recently I spent two weeks the entire original series.... Wow was Galactica 1980 was just awful.

The ability and even more so, desire to keep learning.

@scottalanmiller said:

I try to watch TED while I eat lunch.

Ie too, as long as no one else is around. Of else I can in my office.

Perhaps a thread where people live their handles, but I understand the problems with that to.