Posts made by creayt

@Dashrender What did you mean by the small video card? It looks pretty huge to me.

@gjacobse said:

@creayt
http://www.amazon.com/HP-star-Power-Supply-633186-002/dp/B00WVNNMU4

Maybe.

Nice! I'm going to call them and be like "this is the highest caliber Envy you sell, how did you not put one of these in it?"

@creayt Dimensions are roughly 5.6 x 6.5 x 3.5 inches.

@gjacobse said:

If the biggest difference is the graphics card, and that is what you want, then it's a pretty simple thing.

Return the one with the lower card, and up the PSU in the other.

These are HP Envy machines which are super small, and I don't think the form factor of the PSU is mainstream or that I could just swap another one out, if I'm wrong please tell me which one to get and that COMPLETELY SOLVES MY PROBLEM THANK YOU!!

What I want is the best performing system, so basically it comes down to

1. If the power supply won't be a factor, keep the 980TI
2. If it will be a factor that lowers the performance because there's not enough power for the parts, then I keep the 980 one.

Have two systems here that I need to decide between keeping, one gets returned.

Totally identical, right down to the power supply, with the single exception of the graphics card

One is a GTX 980, the other a GTX 980TI

Common specs:
i7-5820k proc ( 3.3 stock, overclocked to 4.5 on one system and I'm going to be OC-ing on the other if I keep it, which is where the power supply comes in )
32GB DDR4
Samsung 850 Pro in Rapid Mode

My question is, NVidia recommends 500W for the 980 and a 600W supply for the 980TI. Why HP ships my 980TI config w/ a 500W power supply god only knows ( probably to up their profit ), so my question is:

Will having a 500W power supply affect performance? If so by how much? Will it make it so there's less juice to OC the proc on the 980TI box? If so, is it concievable that the 980 box will actually perform better for all non-graphics tasks because of the lack of power contention? Is that even how power works?

Thank you so much, I'm NOOB to this.

@Breffni-Potter

I have self-admittedly EXTREMELY high standards for what I define as "snappy", and it's a plague that prevents me from using some software ( like some popular IDEs ) because they just can't keep up w/ the pace at which I need to be able to stream code from my fingertips to feel fully productive. Basically I hate waiting for anything small. A new tab to open, one to close, code hinting to process and render, a file list read, a web page to serve and render. Things like boot up or shut down time don't matter to me, because those are one-offs when you're not trying to accomplish something granular. App load times also don't matter, though typically the faster those are the faster the overall "snappyness" will be. It's a quirk, but I think there are a lot of people like me, in fact I've seen a lot of people blow up on smaller scales when their computers aren't responsive. I also feel like I have an exaggerated ability to perceive latency, for example most people I've talked to can't feel that command + tab on OS X is slightly, but palpably slower than alt + tab on Windows ( probably because they have a programmed animation that has an exact, while superficial duration before the stuff is fully faded and at its final static position ). Stuff like that bothers me. The old OS X fullscreen animation used to make me homicidal. It's faster now ( as of El Capitan ), but still obnoxiously longer than it should be. So to answer your question, snappyness is achieved when I don't feel like I'm waiting on an interface to deploy my next keystroke or click, or in more abstract terms, "when a computer can mostly keep up with me". There is not a single mac on the market today, even a $4,000 Mac Pro, that consistently can. End rant.

@Breffni-Potter said:

@creayt said:

@Breffni-Potter They use a high-end PCIE express SSD that's actually supposed to get closer to 2GB/s.

That's nuts!

Who needs THAT kind of IO

For me the real appeal isn't the sustained transfer, that's just cool. It's in the responsiveness. So, even on my 2016 Retina MacBook Pro w/ a quad core and 16GB of RAM and a PCIe SSD that's rated at almost 2GB, there is intermittent UI lag all of the time. Things just take longer to respond, even though in benchmarks it does fine. Having your computer respond to you INSTANTLY and CONSISTENTLY, to me, is the biggest luxury you can have. The difference is very palpable, in fact I just opted to return my MacBook Pro because now that I have this hexacore w/ rapid mode I just cannot stand how laggy the pretty much brand new mac feels. So in a sense, I need that kind of IO, or at least how there's no more waiting for IO because everything just streams to RAM and then syncs in the background. I've never been a Samsung fan, but baking this into a consumer part, and making it work in Windows, makes me want to kiss them on the mouth. Their killer SSDs combined w/ this tech have basically revolutionized how quickly and fluidly I can interact w/ computers, and for that I'll forever golf clap them.

@creayt

@creayt said:

@Breffni-Potter

I can, it looks like that's a drive performance test, is that right? Right now mine just has the cheap SanDisk SSD that ships w/ it but the 850 Pro will be here in a few days. I'll run it now and then but I'd expect a dramatic difference.

Following up on this, while I wait for my 850 Pro to arrive, someone w/ very similar specs ( same proc as this Envy OC'd to the same freq w/ quad channel RAM, though he only has 16GB and I'm on 32 ) reports getting 6.7 GB/s read and 6.3 GB/s write w/ rapid mode. He installed every benchmark he could find, and observed how underclocking his processor and RAM slowed the performance of the SSD at a 1:1 scale.

So at this point if SATA 3 and a Samsung SSD are an option and presuming you have at least 8GB of RAM I can't see any argument to go w/ M2 because the performance won't even be in the same ballpark.

@Breffni-Potter They use a high-end PCIE express SSD that's actually supposed to get closer to 2GB/s.

@Breffni-Potter said:

@creayt said:

5GB/s

https://www.aja.com/en/products/aja-system-test

Could you run that and post a screenie of the numbers?

The 5 GB/s prediction is based on this 4.5 number I got on an old Xeon E3 v2 box w/ the same drive but much older, slower RAM ( and not quad channel

http://mangolassi.it/topic/5502/licensing-question-re-2012-r2-essentials-and-iis/19

https://i.imgur.com/bPTf1BG.png

@Breffni-Potter said:

@creayt said:

5GB/s

https://www.aja.com/en/products/aja-system-test

Could you run that and post a screenie of the numbers?

Top is the SanDisk, bottom is Windows 10 on a 2016 MacBook Pro.

@Breffni-Potter

I can, it looks like that's a drive performance test, is that right? Right now mine just has the cheap SanDisk SSD that ships w/ it but the 850 Pro will be here in a few days. I'll run it now and then but I'd expect a dramatic difference.

Should also mention, the box is shockingly small and light. It's less than half the size of the GTX 970 / Xeon custom built workstation I sold recently, and I literally have not heard it yet. Compare that to the MacBook Pro on my desk which I hear on a daily basis.

Win 7 or 10 Professional
Watercooler
Hexacore i7-5820K ( mine OC'd to 4.5 Ghz w/ a few clicks in the Intel tuning utility and has been rock solid )
32GB DDR4
SSD
4GB GTX 745 ( 4GB 970 is $196 more, 4GB 980 is $336 more, 6GB 980TI is $406 more )
2x2 a/b/g/n/ac wireless and bluetooth

$1239

Throw a $120 850 Pro SSD into this w/ rapid mode and I expect it'll push about 5GB/s if you land on the 32GB or some other quad channel config.

Benchmarked it w/ PCMark and it scored in the 99th percentile, well above both the Oculus Rift recommended spec tier and the 4k Gaming PC tier ( mine has a 980 ).

The OC-ing is supported under the warranty, in fact they list it as a feature. That combined w/ a 30% off coupon just cannot be beat.

http://store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentView?eSpotName=HPCouponOffers&storeId=10151&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&jumpid=ps_gymaw6xezr&aoid=146787&002=2190637&006=58807153988&007=Search&008=&009=b&012=hp notebooks coupon&010=NotebooksRemarketingIntel3&025=c

Thought I'd throw this out there in case anyone's looking for a new desolator.