Airplane computer hacking
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@tonyshowoff said:
@scottalanmiller Name a plane that crashed as significantly with any survivors at all. Plus also, let's be real, I'm not poor anymore, I'll be one of those rich jerks with a life boat all to himself rowing away from the Titanic laughing. In otherwords, I'm Kathy Bates sitting on a life boating eating a meatball sub and so I don't worry too much about being Leonardo DiCaprio.
The "I'm in control of my destiny" emotional reaction is the same one that makes people pick driving (the most dangerous option) over most everything else. But it is actually totally opposite - the more control you have the better you feel.... but the more likely to die. That when an airplane goes down there is little that you can do is misleading because it comes down to "when an airplane goes down."
Look at the total fatality numbers of both and ships aren't, on average, safer. They aren't dangerous, they are in a similar category. But remember that trains, where you have far more control of your destiny than even in a ship (just climb out and walk away) actually are just slightly more dangerous than commercial airflight!
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And the last year or so have been really tough on boats. There have been very high fatality rates after a few major boats went down with much higher than usual fatality numbers. Trains, too, had a hard year with two small accidents this week making big news (US killed 8, Germany 2.)
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Certainly cars are more dangerous and I don't like leaving the house because of it, and when I do I try to go during times I know there are less people on the street and also on holidays where drinking and driving is the highest I don't leave the house at all, or if I'm at the office I just stay there.
As far as ships go, crappy cruise ships full of drunk Americans manned by slave labour and industrial ships/cargo ships which get robbed/scuttled for whatever reason, I'm sure the rate of death with ocean liners vs passenger aircraft is significantly lower. There's a significant difference between a cruise ship and ocean liner, cruise ships to me are essentially floating trailer parks full of norovirus, rapes, and people pooping on the decks because their toilets get clogged.
And after all, it's not as if I'm sailing myself, I wouldn't do that either.
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@tonyshowoff said:
As far as ships go, crappy cruise ships full of drunk Americans manned by slave labour and industrial ships/cargo ships which get robbed/scuttled for whatever reason, I'm sure the rate of death with ocean liners vs passenger aircraft is significantly lower.
Funny that you specifically select the Titanic line over the others
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@scottalanmiller said:
@tonyshowoff said:
As far as ships go, crappy cruise ships full of drunk Americans manned by slave labour and industrial ships/cargo ships which get robbed/scuttled for whatever reason, I'm sure the rate of death with ocean liners vs passenger aircraft is significantly lower.
Funny that you specifically select the Titanic line over the others
The Queen Mary II has taken similar routes in the past the Titanic did, but thank god for climate change, though I was nervous about that. Like I said though, I'm Kathy Bates.
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Cruise ship safety is not reported. So likely it is far less safe than anyone would assume. Safer than driving, of course, and generally safe. But safer than the safest reported forms of travel is unlikely.
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I've flown a lot, but not since I was able to afford ocean liner travel, I don't much these days unless necessary. Otherwise I do take trains, which is iffy depending on country, though in some places if you have the money you can get a nice ride. It takes a lot of extra time to sail/train compared to flying, or in some cases even driving, but I use the time to program, work on other crap, and I enjoy the fact it puts me into a position where I have a lot of time where I can't be focused on something else.
I've been in many car accidents, some worse than others, but so far none of them were my fault, and almost all were someone running a red light and hitting me.
I've been on planes that have dropped a huge amount, where we were floating for a moment, and that was horrifying. I've also been through storms, etc. I've been aboard military planes where they take off and land at such high speed and so steep it really did feel like it was all over.
I've only been nervous once when sailing, it was on the Queen Elizabeth II and it was a storm, and the ship itself didn't get too rough, outside it looked as though hell was running in, and the seas were really wanting to drag her down.
I've never been nervous on a train ride at all, yet, unless you count potentially dangerous people on the subway/tube system then I guess that'd be a different thing.
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I'm doing my first cruise next year, it is already booked. Two weeks on Norwegian. We've looked several times at potentially using a cruise to get between the US and Europe but the length of time is really the issue. It just eats up so much time. We'd lose a month a year doing that.
Once they have good Internet available at a reasonable price on the transAtlantic routes I expect that we will use them often as we can move more luggage more easily.
Been trying to get my dad to do a cruise that way but no luck yet.
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I've never been on a cruise ship, only ocean liners, and a cargo carrier, and once also a vessel carrying natural gas. I'd never, though, go on a cruise ship, I've never read anything but horror stories, but good luck to you, I hope it goes well.
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What sucks for us is cruises never come or go to or from where we are. So we'd have to fly to wherever a cruise was first and then fly away from where it lands. Adds a lot of extra travel, which are flights, to do the cruise.
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If someone had a cruise that went regularly from Galveston to Barcelona, we'd be far more likely to use that. NY to Southhampton is a nice run, but not one we can effectively use.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What sucks for us is cruises never come or go to or from where we are. So we'd have to fly to wherever a cruise was first and then fly away from where it lands. Adds a lot of extra travel, which are flights, to do the cruise.
Yeah I've got a similar problem with ocean liners, wasn't a problem when I lived in NYC, but now it is.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What sucks for us is cruises never come or go to or from where we are. So we'd have to fly to wherever a cruise was first and then fly away from where it lands. Adds a lot of extra travel, which are flights, to do the cruise.
Yeah I've got a similar problem with ocean liners, wasn't a problem when I lived in NYC, but now it is.
And since take off and landing, or docking, are the most dangerous components I'm pretty confident that taking a single flight from somewhere in the US to somewhere in Europe where both ends makes sense is way safer than one fight in the US, then a cruise, then a flight in Europe. It cuts the starting and stopping components by half or more. And the time dramatically, I can be in Europe before I could have gotten onto a ship leaving at the same time.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And since take off and landing, or docking, are the most dangerous components I'm pretty confident that taking a single flight from somewhere in the US to somewhere in Europe where both ends makes sense is way safer than one fight in the US, then a cruise, then a flight in Europe. It cuts the starting and stopping components by half or more. And the time dramatically, I can be in Europe before I could have gotten onto a ship leaving at the same time.
True, but I ignore that part because I think I'm the type of person where the journey is almost as important, if not more important, than the destination.
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@tonyshowoff said:
True, but I ignore that part because I think I'm the type of person where the journey is almost as important, if not more important, than the destination.
Sort of. I dont really think of cruising as a journey. I think of it as sitting in a hotel with no view for a few days.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@tonyshowoff said:
True, but I ignore that part because I think I'm the type of person where the journey is almost as important, if not more important, than the destination.
Sort of. I dont really think of cruising as a journey. I think of it as sitting in a hotel with no view for a few days.
Well on a cruise ship, I've understood many of those to have things like ... essentially theme parks with a hull, with a lot to do. As far as what I do personally on ocean liners, both the Queen Mary II and Queen Elizabeth II have/had swimming pools, and I always take advantage of that. The great thing is that it's mostly my family, myself, and a few hundred old rich people, there's not much that goes on, and many times nobody else ever got in any of the pools (that I saw) other than us. That also may be an issue of time of year and other things too. I certainly cannot imagine it being as peaceful on a regular cruise ship.
Anyway my point is in general I'm pretty boring, on vacations I use swimming pools, at home I use a swimming pool, I don't really do anything at all, ever, except work and swim, and talk on SW and here.
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In this thread: Antal gets pompous as hell.
I'm basically Thurston Howell meets the Professor, and I hate writing my opinions on this kind of stuff because it makes me feel like I seem as though I'm completely out of touch. I still do like to promote alternative means of travel, especially ships and trains, because I'm a huge dork I guess. In order to avoid making myself look even more pompous I never talk about the hotels I stay at or anything, but I've got way more opinions on those, which is funny because 25 years ago I live in a 2 room shanty, essentially. Take that, Mom.
See even this sounds ridiculous, I am out of touch. Oh well.
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I travel almost continuously so my options to only use cruise ships and to only use nice hotels is pretty limited. Especially in Europe where nice hotels are crazy expensive. In the US you can do a nice hotel often for less than $200. Try that even in Spain. But you can do AirB&B for some pretty cool options for less.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I travel almost continuously so my options to only use cruise ships and to only use nice hotels is pretty limited. Especially in Europe where nice hotels are crazy expensive. In the US you can do a nice hotel often for less than $200. Try that even in Spain. But you can do AirB&B for some pretty cool options for less.
I once rented out a castle for two weeks off Airbnb, only time I ever used it, and it was pretty awesome. It was very modern as well, it wasn't Spartan at all or anything like that. I like the general idea of Airbnb.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I travel almost continuously so my options to only use cruise ships and to only use nice hotels is pretty limited. Especially in Europe where nice hotels are crazy expensive. In the US you can do a nice hotel often for less than $200. Try that even in Spain. But you can do AirB&B for some pretty cool options for less.
I once rented out a castle for two weeks off Airbnb, only time I ever used it, and it was pretty awesome. It was very modern as well, it wasn't Spartan at all or anything like that. I like the general idea of Airbnb.
AirBnB has been amazing so far. Had one rental place try to royally screw us and AirBnB totally fixed everything. So even when things go wrong they have been awesome. We really trust them now. We've found tons of amazing locations with them. Like old town penthouses in the Old Jewish Quarter in Cordoba.
