Airplane computer hacking
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What sucks for us is cruises never come or go to or from where we are. So we'd have to fly to wherever a cruise was first and then fly away from where it lands. Adds a lot of extra travel, which are flights, to do the cruise.
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If someone had a cruise that went regularly from Galveston to Barcelona, we'd be far more likely to use that. NY to Southhampton is a nice run, but not one we can effectively use.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What sucks for us is cruises never come or go to or from where we are. So we'd have to fly to wherever a cruise was first and then fly away from where it lands. Adds a lot of extra travel, which are flights, to do the cruise.
Yeah I've got a similar problem with ocean liners, wasn't a problem when I lived in NYC, but now it is.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What sucks for us is cruises never come or go to or from where we are. So we'd have to fly to wherever a cruise was first and then fly away from where it lands. Adds a lot of extra travel, which are flights, to do the cruise.
Yeah I've got a similar problem with ocean liners, wasn't a problem when I lived in NYC, but now it is.
And since take off and landing, or docking, are the most dangerous components I'm pretty confident that taking a single flight from somewhere in the US to somewhere in Europe where both ends makes sense is way safer than one fight in the US, then a cruise, then a flight in Europe. It cuts the starting and stopping components by half or more. And the time dramatically, I can be in Europe before I could have gotten onto a ship leaving at the same time.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And since take off and landing, or docking, are the most dangerous components I'm pretty confident that taking a single flight from somewhere in the US to somewhere in Europe where both ends makes sense is way safer than one fight in the US, then a cruise, then a flight in Europe. It cuts the starting and stopping components by half or more. And the time dramatically, I can be in Europe before I could have gotten onto a ship leaving at the same time.
True, but I ignore that part because I think I'm the type of person where the journey is almost as important, if not more important, than the destination.
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@tonyshowoff said:
True, but I ignore that part because I think I'm the type of person where the journey is almost as important, if not more important, than the destination.
Sort of. I dont really think of cruising as a journey. I think of it as sitting in a hotel with no view for a few days.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@tonyshowoff said:
True, but I ignore that part because I think I'm the type of person where the journey is almost as important, if not more important, than the destination.
Sort of. I dont really think of cruising as a journey. I think of it as sitting in a hotel with no view for a few days.
Well on a cruise ship, I've understood many of those to have things like ... essentially theme parks with a hull, with a lot to do. As far as what I do personally on ocean liners, both the Queen Mary II and Queen Elizabeth II have/had swimming pools, and I always take advantage of that. The great thing is that it's mostly my family, myself, and a few hundred old rich people, there's not much that goes on, and many times nobody else ever got in any of the pools (that I saw) other than us. That also may be an issue of time of year and other things too. I certainly cannot imagine it being as peaceful on a regular cruise ship.
Anyway my point is in general I'm pretty boring, on vacations I use swimming pools, at home I use a swimming pool, I don't really do anything at all, ever, except work and swim, and talk on SW and here.
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In this thread: Antal gets pompous as hell.
I'm basically Thurston Howell meets the Professor, and I hate writing my opinions on this kind of stuff because it makes me feel like I seem as though I'm completely out of touch. I still do like to promote alternative means of travel, especially ships and trains, because I'm a huge dork I guess. In order to avoid making myself look even more pompous I never talk about the hotels I stay at or anything, but I've got way more opinions on those, which is funny because 25 years ago I live in a 2 room shanty, essentially. Take that, Mom.
See even this sounds ridiculous, I am out of touch. Oh well.
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I travel almost continuously so my options to only use cruise ships and to only use nice hotels is pretty limited. Especially in Europe where nice hotels are crazy expensive. In the US you can do a nice hotel often for less than $200. Try that even in Spain. But you can do AirB&B for some pretty cool options for less.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I travel almost continuously so my options to only use cruise ships and to only use nice hotels is pretty limited. Especially in Europe where nice hotels are crazy expensive. In the US you can do a nice hotel often for less than $200. Try that even in Spain. But you can do AirB&B for some pretty cool options for less.
I once rented out a castle for two weeks off Airbnb, only time I ever used it, and it was pretty awesome. It was very modern as well, it wasn't Spartan at all or anything like that. I like the general idea of Airbnb.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I travel almost continuously so my options to only use cruise ships and to only use nice hotels is pretty limited. Especially in Europe where nice hotels are crazy expensive. In the US you can do a nice hotel often for less than $200. Try that even in Spain. But you can do AirB&B for some pretty cool options for less.
I once rented out a castle for two weeks off Airbnb, only time I ever used it, and it was pretty awesome. It was very modern as well, it wasn't Spartan at all or anything like that. I like the general idea of Airbnb.
AirBnB has been amazing so far. Had one rental place try to royally screw us and AirBnB totally fixed everything. So even when things go wrong they have been awesome. We really trust them now. We've found tons of amazing locations with them. Like old town penthouses in the Old Jewish Quarter in Cordoba.
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@scottalanmiller one thing about this thread.. You continually say cruise ship when @tonyshowoff is talking about ocean liners.
These are two completely different modes of transport. Albeit, they are both ships.
Keeping this in mind, the only ocean liner still operating is the QM2.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller one thing about this thread.. You continually say cruise ship when @tonyshowoff is talking about ocean liners.
These are two completely different modes of transport. Albeit, they are both ships.
Keeping this in mind, the only ocean liner still operating is the QM2.
True. But as there is only one, there isn't much discussion just around that one ship. To do ocean crossings you need to use cruise ships or else you are basically just saying you never travel. The QM2 only crosses like twice a year.
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@scottalanmiller said:
True. But as there is only one, there isn't much discussion just around that one ship. To do ocean crossings you need to use cruise ships or else you are basically just saying you never travel. The QM2 only crosses like twice a year.
While true, you have to consider though still the differences in journey of the two, which I brought up earlier. Cruise ships are often the abode of drunken partiers, there's norovirus spread wildly, people constantly going missing and being raped, strange deaths, etc, etc and on ocean liners you don't have that same level of utter crap.
So even if there's only one real one left, it doesn't mean it's still lumped in with and criticised in the same manner as a cruise ship. In the same way you wouldn't lump zeppelin travel in with passenger airplanes just because they're both flying machines.
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@scottalanmiller said:
True. But as there is only one, there isn't much discussion just around that one ship. To do ocean crossings you need to use cruise ships or else you are basically just saying you never travel. The QM2 only crosses like twice a year.
Their may not be much discussion around it, but the entire portion of the thread related to ocean travel was specifically around it.
Additionally, Cruse ships do not do ocean crossings. So they are not a means of travel.
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OK Back to the OP - Holy crap!
What idiot allowed the wifi network to be on the same hardware as the planes internal anything? Has no one who works there paid attention to the news at all in the last 30 years?
WTF!
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@JaredBusch said:
Additionally, Cruse ships do not do ocean crossings. So they are not a means of travel.
Yes they do, all the time. Or else the QM2 isn't the only one. I hung out with a bunch of people who had just crossed one ocean on a ship other than the QM2 and were about to cross another one. I'm doing a dual ocean transfer in March on a cruise ship. Either cruise ships do ocean crossings or a lot of the ships you don't want to include in the category are not ocean liners.
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@JaredBusch said:
Additionally, Cruse ships do not do ocean crossings. So they are not a means of travel.
Taking the Norwegian Sun as not just travel, but relocation, moving a distance quite a bit farther than NY to London and going between countries and oceans.
Disney Cruise Lines owns no ocean liners but crosses the Atlantic regularly, for example.
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I agree with Scott - I have a friend who flew to Spain to take a Disney cruise back to NY. Sounded like crossing the ocean to me.
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We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
