Airplane computer hacking
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@scottalanmiller said:
True. But as there is only one, there isn't much discussion just around that one ship. To do ocean crossings you need to use cruise ships or else you are basically just saying you never travel. The QM2 only crosses like twice a year.
While true, you have to consider though still the differences in journey of the two, which I brought up earlier. Cruise ships are often the abode of drunken partiers, there's norovirus spread wildly, people constantly going missing and being raped, strange deaths, etc, etc and on ocean liners you don't have that same level of utter crap.
So even if there's only one real one left, it doesn't mean it's still lumped in with and criticised in the same manner as a cruise ship. In the same way you wouldn't lump zeppelin travel in with passenger airplanes just because they're both flying machines.
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@scottalanmiller said:
True. But as there is only one, there isn't much discussion just around that one ship. To do ocean crossings you need to use cruise ships or else you are basically just saying you never travel. The QM2 only crosses like twice a year.
Their may not be much discussion around it, but the entire portion of the thread related to ocean travel was specifically around it.
Additionally, Cruse ships do not do ocean crossings. So they are not a means of travel.
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OK Back to the OP - Holy crap!
What idiot allowed the wifi network to be on the same hardware as the planes internal anything? Has no one who works there paid attention to the news at all in the last 30 years?
WTF!
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@JaredBusch said:
Additionally, Cruse ships do not do ocean crossings. So they are not a means of travel.
Yes they do, all the time. Or else the QM2 isn't the only one. I hung out with a bunch of people who had just crossed one ocean on a ship other than the QM2 and were about to cross another one. I'm doing a dual ocean transfer in March on a cruise ship. Either cruise ships do ocean crossings or a lot of the ships you don't want to include in the category are not ocean liners.
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@JaredBusch said:
Additionally, Cruse ships do not do ocean crossings. So they are not a means of travel.
Taking the Norwegian Sun as not just travel, but relocation, moving a distance quite a bit farther than NY to London and going between countries and oceans.
Disney Cruise Lines owns no ocean liners but crosses the Atlantic regularly, for example.
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I agree with Scott - I have a friend who flew to Spain to take a Disney cruise back to NY. Sounded like crossing the ocean to me.
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We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
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@scottalanmiller said:
We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
you can afford to be out of contact that long? How long is the normal voyage?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
you can afford to be out of contact that long? How long is the normal voyage?
Not crazy, like a week. I would either take vacation or we keep looking as a few lines are starting to look at getting Internet access there now.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
you can afford to be out of contact that long? How long is the normal voyage?
Not crazy, like a week. I would either take vacation or we keep looking as a few lines are starting to look at getting Internet access there now.
Considering we have internet access on planes (though last I heard not on trans ocean - but that might have changed by now), no reason we can't on cruise ships. Granted it would be slow.. but enough for normal business needs I would think.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Not crazy, like a week. I would either take vacation or we keep looking as a few lines are starting to look at getting Internet access there now.
In what situation would you use this as a mode for moving from Europe to the USA or vice versa?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
you can afford to be out of contact that long? How long is the normal voyage?
Not crazy, like a week. I would either take vacation or we keep looking as a few lines are starting to look at getting Internet access there now.
Considering we have internet access on planes (though last I heard not on trans ocean - but that might have changed by now), no reason we can't on cruise ships. Granted it would be slow.. but enough for normal business needs I would think.
I have to do continuous video teleconferencing that makes otherwise awesome Internet not as good as you would hope.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not crazy, like a week. I would either take vacation or we keep looking as a few lines are starting to look at getting Internet access there now.
In what situation would you use this as a mode for moving from Europe to the USA or vice versa?
Not sure what you mean. The situation when we are going between the US and Europe, for example
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
We look at non-Disney ocean cruises regularly now as alternatives to taking flights.
you can afford to be out of contact that long? How long is the normal voyage?
Not crazy, like a week. I would either take vacation or we keep looking as a few lines are starting to look at getting Internet access there now.
Considering we have internet access on planes (though last I heard not on trans ocean - but that might have changed by now), no reason we can't on cruise ships. Granted it would be slow.. but enough for normal business needs I would think.
I have to do continuous video teleconferencing that makes otherwise awesome Internet not as good as you would hope.
Your need for mobility kinda makes that difficult at best.
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Also between North and South America. We are using one for going between Argentina and Chile already. Considering doing one from Chile to the US.
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@Dashrender said:
I agree with Scott - I have a friend who flew to Spain to take a Disney cruise back to NY. Sounded like crossing the ocean to me.
Crossing the ocean isn't the real stated difference though, but it was a primary one until fairly recently. A lot of cruise liners have started to move a lot of their stuff toward the areas formerly occupied by ocean liners in order to better compete with each other, however still the primary differences are:
- Cruise liners are essentially theme parks with hulls
- A cruise liner is typically considered the vacation/event itself, where as an ocean liner is just a transport to the vacation/event.
- Ocean liners have a scheduled route for passengers to be dropped off, and sometimes that happens with cruise liners, but typically cruises it's just as a temporary stop for vacationers to see locales, not to disembark completely
- Ocean liners have better paid staff
- Ocean liners are built for general open ocean travel, but cruise liners typically stay at least fairly close to the shore (when possible) and this is because ocean liners are built with higher decks, very few balcony rooms, etc so they can better deal with rough waters.
- And because of the above, ocean liners tend to carry more food and water than cruise ships
Like I said, a lot of cruise ships are going in that direction in order to simply stand out from the "let's get drunk and sail around the edge of Mexico" type of thing cruise liners were originally and are still typically used for.
I've never been on a cruise ship, only ocean liners, but my wife and a former girlfriend have both been on cruise ships and they both have/had stated that the environment is different (calmer, more sober, less partying if any at all) and the calibre of people is different (way less white trash).
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I always though a Ocean liner has a destination IE it's a form of transportation.
Cruise liners are the destination IE they have all the needed attractions on board, with a few small shoping/sight seeing stops.
I've never been on either so I likely have no clue what I'm talking about
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I always though a Ocean liner has a destination IE it's a form of transportation.
Cruise liners are the destination IE they have all the needed attractions on board, with a few small shoping/sight seeing stops.
I've never been on either so I likely have no clue what I'm talking about
That's a good succinct description, I'd say it's fairly accurate, but there are other differences as well.
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I can't imagine having enough vacation time that I would want to waste any of it on an Ocean Liner. If I'm going to Europe... I wanna fly so I'm there in one day... then spend my 2 weeks on the ground there.
Otherwise I'd be looking at 4 days there, 4 days back. and only 2-4 days on the land... I suppose if you just want to relax and read and be completely disconnected.. fine.. but that's not a vacation to me.. that would bore me out of my mind!
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@Dashrender said:
I can't imagine having enough vacation time that I would want to waste any of it on an Ocean Liner. If I'm going to Europe... I wanna fly so I'm there in one day... then spend my 2 weeks on the ground there.
Scott seems to get a lot of vacation time.. maybe we'd get tired of being on vacation if we had that much.
