How to Close Skype
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This seems more like a rant than an it discussion.
All the communication programs have similar behavior to this.
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@JaredBusch said:
This seems more like a rant than an it discussion.
All the communication programs have similar behavior to this.
Does that make it ok to override the system interface?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Does that make it ok to override the system interface?
It is an optional override, so yes. Lync is no different. Many applications have this option.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
This seems more like a rant than an it discussion.
All the communication programs have similar behavior to this.
Does that make it ok to override the system interface?
No it does not, optional or not, it should definitely be IN YOUR FACE when you install it asking you for the behavior you want.
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WinKey + R
taskkill /f /fi "imagename eq Skype*" -
Well look at it this way. Skype is used more and more in a business environment, which means users get their hands on it. The kind where 'minimize it' may not always mean minimize, or they need to get to the desktop and everything in the way is a target. Enabling it by default helps keep them out of our hair with why they arent getting communication from their coworkers, and since it can be disabled by us who notice, I don't really see a problem, personally.
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@FiyaFly said:
Well look at it this way. Skype is used more and more in a business environment, which means users get their hands on it. The kind where 'minimize it' may not always mean minimize, or they need to get to the desktop and everything in the way is a target. Enabling it by default helps keep them out of our hair with why they arent getting communication from their coworkers, and since it can be disabled by us who notice, I don't really see a problem, personally.
My complaint is that it violates the interface promise. The "X" no longer means what the interface claims that it means. It's hijacking the interface to do something undesired. You tell it to do one thing and it does another. That's bad. That's malware behaviour. This is what the same thing that we use to determine when we have a fake AV scanner or a web hijack is in progress. It's completely inappropriate behaviour. They could put a different button there or do something else, but breaking the interface in this way is what leads to users being confused and lost and not being able to determine what is legitimate software and what is not.
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Well, it's not just Skype. I've encountered plenty of software that is legitimate software that doesn't actually close when you click the "X". It's mildly annoying, but it hasn't caused me to question the motives or legitimacy of the manufacturer or the product. It's just annoying and I learn how to make it do what I want. If people in general aren't that smart... well... too bad for them.
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@art_of_shred said:
Well, it's not just Skype. I've encountered plenty of software that is legitimate software that doesn't actually close when you click the "X". It's mildly annoying, but it hasn't caused me to question the motives or legitimacy of the manufacturer or the product. It's just annoying and I learn how to make it do what I want. If people in general aren't that smart... well... too bad for them.
That's actually highlighting the problem. What is commonly malware behaviour is now being used by legitimate, just poor, software. Skype and Lync being prime suspects here (common thread - Microsoft teams breaking their own interface rules on the messaging teams.) But what this does is teaches people not to trust their interfaces and makes it easier for malware to hide. It's not that Skype seems like malware, it's that it is easy for malware to seem like Skype.
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Are you sure that Microsoft's interface rules dictate that clicking X closes a program. You got a link? I always believed it closes a window, but not necessarily a program, and as mentioned, this is how loads of common programs operate.
If true, how do Microsoft suggest the window for a background program should be closed?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Are you sure that Microsoft's interface rules dictate that clicking X closes a program. You got a link? I always believed it closes a window, but not necessarily a program, and as mentioned, this is how loads of common programs operate.
I believe that you are correct, but in the case of Skype, it does not close the window, it minimizes it.
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This non-Microsoft book about the interface says that it should close the window.
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This is from Windows 7 but here is Microsoft's documentation:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/working-with-windows#1TC=windows-7
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@scottalanmiller said:
it does not close the window, it minimizes it.
Oh, right. Yeah, that sucks. Most programs I deal with still run in the background and an icon appears in the notification area of the taskbar, but the window will close. I wonder why Skype doesn't do this? I don't use Skype much so have never noticed this behaviour.
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@Carnival-Boy I use it rarely but it drives me crazy as there is no easy way to make it go away once you have finished with it. You can't close the window nor can you close the application. There should be an easy way to do both. Skype goes out of their way to make you want to resort to the task manager.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy I use it rarely but it drives me crazy as there is no easy way to make it go away once you have finished with it. You can't close the window nor can you close the application. There should be an easy way to do both. Skype goes out of their way to make you want to resort to the task manager.
I have no idea what planet you are on. If you click the X the window closes as it is supposed to.
The application does not also close unless you have the application settings setup to do that.
You can easily close the application by right clicking on the icon in the task bar and choosing quit.
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@scottalanmiller said:
This is from Windows 7 but here is Microsoft's documentation:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/working-with-windows#1TC=windows-7
Nothing in that documentation states that the button is designed exit the application. It is a button to close the window. Skype's window DOES close when you click it. This is not directly related to quitting the application.
Yes some software can combine that by putting a hook in the window close form to exit the application entirely, but that is and always has been optional.
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@JaredBusch said:
Nothing in that documentation states that the button is designed exit the application. It is a button to close the window. Skype's window DOES close when you click it. This is not directly related to quitting the application.
Mine does NOT close. What did you do to make yours close?
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The window closes for you? as in does not show up on the main part of the start bar? For me it never leaves the start bar, and I'm not talking about the little icon next to the clock. If it disappeared to a small icon by the clock as Carnival Boy suggests (and tons of programs do do this) I would be happy, because, yes I know I can right click the small icon and close Skype.. but I don't want the large icon on the left side of the start bar with the rest of my running apps - it just doesn't need to be that intrusive.
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@JaredBusch said:
Yes some software can combine that by putting a hook in the window close form to exit the application entirely, but that is and always has been optional.
It's default. To make it close you have to override Microsoft's supplied behaviour.
