Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
The thing with Guacamole right now is that the documentation is just..... crap. It says different options are available in the user-mappings.xml which always break things.
That's the base problem with Fedora installs, I think. Not that it isn't stable, but that it's not documented properly.
I'd be very surprised if it acted any differently on any platform. One of the big reasons I decided to do a guide on it is how it just breaks when using many of the supposed options. Not that I really expect great documentation for anything before v1 is out, but at least take down known broken stuff!
Besides incomplete or bad documentation, what is specifically unstable about it on Fedora or other distros?
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@black3dynamite said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
The thing with Guacamole right now is that the documentation is just..... crap. It says different options are available in the user-mappings.xml which always break things.
That's the base problem with Fedora installs, I think. Not that it isn't stable, but that it's not documented properly.
I'd be very surprised if it acted any differently on any platform. One of the big reasons I decided to do a guide on it is how it just breaks when using many of the supposed options. Not that I really expect great documentation for anything before v1 is out, but at least take down known broken stuff!
Besides incomplete or bad documentation, what is specifically unstable about it on Fedora or other distros?
For me so far, nothing.
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Huh, it is unstable. That really sucks.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
Huh, it is unstable. That really sucks.
With SELinux set to permissive or disabled?
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@black3dynamite said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
Huh, it is unstable. That really sucks.
With SELinux set to permissive or disabled?
Disabled
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
Disable selinux (sad admin)
sed -i 's/SELINUX=enforcing/SELINUX=disabled/' /etc/selinux/config setenforce 0
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I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
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@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
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@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Yeah, if you already have another remote gateway. Just about anything else looks good at the moment.
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@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
Why does it have to be without technical expertise?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. How do they do that with NX? With Guac, it is easy.
Or anytime someone needs to work from a place where they can't install something.
How do you handle gateway services for NX, do you have a mechanism or just use different ports?
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
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@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
I've never found d RDP cumbersome. I'm not talking about using NX on a Chromebook. Anything that isn't a Chromebook, NX is easier. For the Chromebook people SSH is native RDP is easy.
This whole thread is around how Guacamole isn't easy. You also don't need this to have a centralized list. If you're using CM you're going to have a list of systems anyway.
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@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
I've never found d RDP cumbersome. I'm not talking about using NX on a Chromebook. Anything that isn't a Chromebook, NX is easier. For the Chromebook people SSH is native RDP is easy.
This whole thread is around how Guacamole isn't easy. You also don't need this to have a centralized list. If you're using CM you're going to have a list of systems anyway.
CM?
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
I've never found d RDP cumbersome. I'm not talking about using NX on a Chromebook. Anything that isn't a Chromebook, NX is easier. For the Chromebook people SSH is native RDP is easy.
This whole thread is around how Guacamole isn't easy. You also don't need this to have a centralized list. If you're using CM you're going to have a list of systems anyway.
CM?
Configuration management.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
Huh, it is unstable. That really sucks.
This is what I was talking about. I get the same thing. Glad I'm not the only one.
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@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
I've never found d RDP cumbersome. I'm not talking about using NX on a Chromebook. Anything that isn't a Chromebook, NX is easier. For the Chromebook people SSH is native RDP is easy.
This whole thread is around how Guacamole isn't easy. You also don't need this to have a centralized list. If you're using CM you're going to have a list of systems anyway.
CM?
Configuration management.
Okay, wasn't sure. Yes, pushing out NX configs shouldn't be too bad, in theory.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
I've never found d RDP cumbersome. I'm not talking about using NX on a Chromebook. Anything that isn't a Chromebook, NX is easier. For the Chromebook people SSH is native RDP is easy.
This whole thread is around how Guacamole isn't easy. You also don't need this to have a centralized list. If you're using CM you're going to have a list of systems anyway.
CM?
Configuration management.
Okay, wasn't sure. Yes, pushing out NX configs shouldn't be too bad, in theory.
NoMachine finds all of the systems in a network. For example, if you're on ZT it will list all available clients on that network. I was saying if you just wanted a list for people to SSH/RDP to, you already have it.
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@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@stacksofplates said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
@irj said in Fedora 28 Guacamole base install.:
I see no value in Guacamole, personally. No Machine is a much better option.
Doesn't deal with the web interface. NX requires a client. Guacamole is as much a front end to NX as it is to any other protocol.
I wonder how often you really need people with no technical expertise to connect remotely to a linux machine?
For example, I have users on Chromebooks that need remote Linux access. \
SSH or RDP. I agree with @IRJ, it (Guacamole) just seems like a hassle.
RDP is pretty cumbersome in some cases for that stuff. And does that mean no NX, or having to maintain multiple for each box?
I definitely find Guac worlds easier. For one thing, it maintains a list of available resources. So the access listing is centralized, rather than making people maintain it on desktops.
I've never found d RDP cumbersome. I'm not talking about using NX on a Chromebook. Anything that isn't a Chromebook, NX is easier. For the Chromebook people SSH is native RDP is easy.
This whole thread is around how Guacamole isn't easy. You also don't need this to have a centralized list. If you're using CM you're going to have a list of systems anyway.
CM?
Configuration management.
Okay, wasn't sure. Yes, pushing out NX configs shouldn't be too bad, in theory.
NoMachine finds all of the systems in a network. For example, if you're on ZT it will list all available clients on that network. I was saying if you just wanted a list for people to SSH/RDP to, you already have it.
What we want, ideally, is not to use something like ZT (although it's an option that we will kick around), and not to make a list for everyone. But to have a portal (or something like a portal) that lists all of the machines available specifically to the person in question. We have specific pools and assigned boxes. For example, Maggie has a dedicated machine just for her, I don't want to see it in my list. And she doesn't want to see mine. But we both want to see remote machines dedicated for something we share.
