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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @jmoore
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      @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

      Yeah I see that. So they require a PO and this is just personal. Do I have any options to buy from them like I have before or am I just stuck?

      They dont. You need a real rep. Ill ping you.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

        I want to play with the UDM, it has the new Unifi firewall interface... very curious how it's different from USG.

        https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/udm-pro

        Primarily, new processor.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Redoing Home Network:

          @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

          I want to play with the UDM, it has the new Unifi firewall interface... very curious how it's different from USG.

          https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/udm-pro

          Primarily, new processor.

          the specs say new Unifi OS also.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

            @scottalanmiller said in Redoing Home Network:

            @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

            I want to play with the UDM, it has the new Unifi firewall interface... very curious how it's different from USG.

            https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/udm-pro

            Primarily, new processor.

            the specs say new Unifi OS also.

            That too

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @jmoore
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              @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

              Well Im sure i dont need all that but I like toys to play with and I look at it as future proofing lol.
              Planning on:
              Edgerouter 6p
              Edgeswitch 8
              Unifi Ap Pro

              Does that seem like a solid combo? any reason I shouldn't?

              WTF

              Do you have any idea why you are doing? Why would you get a router with 6 ports? It is a router not a switch. It needs a WAN port and a LAN port. Maybe an extra WAN if you have multiple internet services. You use VLAN to your switches for anything else.

              All EdgeMax devices can handle wire speed throughput if all the traffic is offloaded from the CPU. But things like QoS and a few other tasks cannot be offloaded.

              The ER4 is the best thing in the EdgeMax line for most. The ERL should never be considered if you have > 50 mbps and need to use the router for QoS (which you should).

              I have never been able to test an ER4 with QoS enabled on a circuit faster than 200mbps. But at least up to that point it was still getting full service speed.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch
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                @jmoore but beyond all of that, you need to ask why are you spending this much on gear at home. Are you truly going to make use of it and do IT at home?

                If not you are burning cash for no reason.

                Buy an Amplifi Instant mesh system and a dumb switch, then move along.

                IT at home was a great concept before we had cheap hosting and other places where we can spin things up and down at will.

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                • jmooreJ
                  jmoore @JaredBusch
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                  @JaredBusch said in Redoing Home Network:

                  Do you have any idea why you are doing? Why would you get a router with 6 ports? It is a router not a switch. It needs a WAN port and a LAN port. Maybe an extra WAN if you have multiple internet services. You use VLAN to your switches for anything else.

                  Believe it or not i did give this some thought.(not saying its correct thought lol) I am actually surprised more people haven't given a similar reaction. i do know how much I am overbuying. I went through the products and purposely selected a good middle ground for everything. The reasons were multiple:

                  1. I wanted it to be a learning project and I wanted to play with really good stuff and this was in my budget.
                  2. Wife works for federal government and is permanent work at home and wanted really solid equipment so she wouldn't stress about things going down. She stresses a lot! We both wanted more professional equipment for a while, for multiple reasons.
                  3. I know I will probably never need 6 ports on a router but again its not much money. Buying lesser equipment really wasn't that much less. It does give me room to expand in future. I already have a switch in wife's office and will be adding one to each kids room eventually. So this is a whole house project, not just my office. I also plan on experimenting with pbx's and plan on buying a supermicro server soon for more experimentation and I admit, fun.

                  I know I can use hosting services and I do actually on a regular basis. Since she wanted more of a business infrastructure at home and I wanted to try to replicate a business setting for learning purposes, I felt the time was right. Its not much of an investment and if I learn from something with a lot of features I would see in a better job, then it is worth it to me.

                  Thankyou for your comment and advice though, hardly anyone else even spoke up, so I appreciate it!

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
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                    I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                    POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                    The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

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                      1337 @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                      I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                      POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                      The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                      Isn't POE also better in the switches? I thought Ubiquity used some odd DIY standard for POE, at least in the past.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @1337
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                        @Pete-S said in Redoing Home Network:

                        @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                        I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                        POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                        The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                        Isn't POE also better in the switches? I thought Ubiquity used some odd DIY standard for POE, at least in the past.

                        They still do in some places.

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                        • jmooreJ
                          jmoore @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                          I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                          POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                          The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                          I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.

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                          • EddieJenningsE
                            EddieJennings @jmoore
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                            @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                            @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                            I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                            POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                            The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                            I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.

                            So each room will be its own network?

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                              1337 @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                              @Pete-S said in Redoing Home Network:

                              @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                              I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                              POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                              The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                              Isn't POE also better in the switches? I thought Ubiquity used some odd DIY standard for POE, at least in the past.

                              They still do in some places.

                              Yeah, you're right. Had a look right now and ER-6P has non-standard PoE. Hopefully no one plugs in the wrong thing in a port that has PoE switched on. My guess is that the purpose with that was to power APs directly and not much else.

                              99% of Ubiquity's switches (except the lowest cost ones) that has PoE follows the PoE standards (802.3af, 802.3at and 802.3bt).

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                              • jmooreJ
                                jmoore @EddieJennings
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                                @EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:

                                @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                                I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                                POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                                The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                                I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.

                                So each room will be its own network?

                                Each room will have an 8-port switch because everyone has a lot of devices.

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                                • EddieJenningsE
                                  EddieJennings @jmoore
                                  last edited by EddieJennings

                                  @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                  @EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:

                                  @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                  @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                                  I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                                  POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                                  The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                                  I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.

                                  So each room will be its own network?

                                  Each room will have an 8-port switch because everyone has a lot of devices.

                                  And since those switches will be going to a unique port on your router, they'll each be unique subnets (networks).

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                                    1337 @EddieJennings
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                                    @EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:

                                    @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                    @EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:

                                    @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                    @Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:

                                    I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.

                                    POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
                                    The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.

                                    I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.

                                    So each room will be its own network?

                                    Each room will have an 8-port switch because everyone has a lot of devices.

                                    And since those switches will be going to a unique port on your router, they'll each be unique subnets (networks).

                                    It's a good idea to have small switches in each room but normally you would do it like this:
                                    small_network.png

                                    If you wanted to have different networks inside the infrastructure, you'd use VLANs.
                                    If you wanted to use PoE devices like security cameras, IP phones etc, you'd do PoE on the access switches.
                                    If you'd want high performance the core switch would have 10 gigabit ports.
                                    APs could also be connected in different places, for instance on the access switches.

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                                    • jmooreJ
                                      jmoore @1337
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                                      @Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @jmoore
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                                        @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                        @Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.

                                        Multiple subnets in your home?

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                                        • travisdh1T
                                          travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Redoing Home Network:

                                          @jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:

                                          @Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.

                                          Multiple subnets in your home?

                                          I've got 5 different subnets at home right now. It'll be 4 when I get my home lab rebuilt.

                                          • Home lab (being removed once rebuild happens)

                                          • Work wired

                                          • Work wireless

                                          • IoT junk

                                          • Main/everything else

                                          The work networks are also on their own VLAN. I could probably combine the two work networks at this point, but whatever.

                                          Overkill for home, oh yeah. For working from home as an IT Pro, it's just baseline

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                                          • brandon220B
                                            brandon220 @scottalanmiller
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                                            Multiple subnets in your home?

                                            I have 3 subnets at home. Main, IoT, and guest.
                                            I need to upgrade to the ER4. My ERLite has been great so far though. My ISP connection is 120/5.

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