@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

thou v you is tu v usted; not usted v ustedes.
y'all is because ye was dropped as the plural of you.

I didn't disagree with that though.

thou / þu = second person familiar, singular.
you / ye = second person formal, plural

What you said is a common misconception, a similar one is how some people think "thou" is formal now or at least that it has some sort of reverence when spoken because of its use in the Bible.

Ye is a bit more weird, because it's an issue of two things.

In Old English, ye was the nominative form of you-plural and you-formal. However the accusative of þu (thou) was þec. When the printing press came, by that point it became þe, and they began using the letter "y" in place of "þ". Which is also how you get Ye Olde Shoppe, it's actually "The". In the former though this was cleared up in print when they began writing "thee".

You-plural as "ye" in nominative stayed, but in other cases, dative, accusative, and instrumental they became "eow", which by Middle English has changed into "you." So by Early Modern English you ended up with thou and you (Norman French spellings) as singular/familiar and plural/formal, and "ye" as a variation of "you" only in nominative case.

What happened next was that in the South, primarily London, the usage of "thou" was seen as impolite, though it was still used elsewhere. When widespread public education came in early forms in the 17th century, it began to really hammer down. Shakespeare is interesting because he actually used thou a lot in his plays but even at that time it began to fall out of use. He likely did not say it in every day speech, but it wasn't as strange to hear as it is now. There are even isolated dialects of English that still use it.

Certainly though "ye" over "you" for plural specifically was already isolated by 1611 when the King James Bible was written and was one of the many things that made it archaic even at the time it came out. I like "ye" though.

@LilAng said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@LilAng said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

Dominica made surprise eggs for lunch.

like kinder eggs?

Like scrambled.

oh i read that as surprise...thats why i was like surprise toy....kinder egg?

"Surprise they are from an crocodile."
"Surprise they are from an albatross."

@Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

Another reason English lacks behind other languages.

I don't think that's a good demonstration of how English "lacks behind" other languages, considering even most other Germanic languages alone the reflexive pronoun(s) tend to be the same word no matter what making certain sentences very ambiguous. I think one of English's neatest things is the possessive pseudo-case of 's, which works a bit easier than genitive case in many languages because you can chain them, but is a hell of a lot more clear than a reverse list of "de", which at least in the case of Indo-European languages is the opposite direction of how speech tends to run.

Plus also the -ing ending is one of the best aspects that almost every other Indo-European language lacks or has to achieve in a complex manner which itself is also potentially vague. One of the problems is that -ing is also the ending for gerunds and some other things.

English's biggest problems are:

1. The spelling system is one of the worst in the entire world, certainly worst in the western world, even beyond French. Funnily a lot of people who speak only English will say "but things are spelled the way they sound." No. At least French has a consistent way to "decode" (read) sounds and know what they are even if they can be hard to "encode" (write). /u/ may be written u, ou, et al but it still is essentially always pronounced /u/. English is broken both with encoding and decoding, though it's rough to write out all the reasons why.
2. The dropping of singular familiar "thou" leaving only "you" and there's several historical reasons for this, but it's a pain in the ass anyway. Which ironic is that new plurals like "y'all" have been created but they make you sound like a hick or like you're pretending to be endearing and you assume everyone else doesn't see through it. The exception of course is if you speak AAVE (ebonics) and it's apparent, or you speak some version of English from the South East.

Languages don't tend to lack or gain a whole lot of features, they make up with them with syntax, grammatical forms, stress, all sorts of things. Sort of like how people tend to view AAVE as a simplified or dumbed down version of General American where in fact it may not have some of the same grammatical properties GA has but it gains its own which in turn are sometimes ambiguous to whitey.

@valentina That's what I thought it was at first too and was confused.

@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

Even worse is that there is this rush to market a 5G when the actual 5G standard is not even set yet.

That didn't go well for bluetooth either

@jmoore said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

@dafyre Dang now I'm thinking about where to get pizza for lunch lol

Maybe for dinner here, but if I do and I never come back, you'll all know my wife has killed me for getting pizza again.

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Luciana is working on edible slime made from marshmallows.

My daughter's started doing that lately, making slime, there's glitter everywhere!

@JaredBusch Oh I was just messing around, they are literally genuine earmuffs? Well I gotta destroy this thread to get rid of the evidence

@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@tonyshowoff said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@JaredBusch Pfft, idiot, those aren't earmuffs, they're headphones. What a maroon!

Incorrect. They are Sennheiser Bluetooth connected earmuffs.

Look at this blue blood, my earmuffs still use a 3.5mm mono phone jack with my earmuffs, and it's not even stereo.

@scottalanmiller said in LAMP on the cheap, or how to optimize ?:

instead of cPanel there to mock them in their futility.

Pure gold lol

@scottalanmiller The only thing dumber I've heard, at least from the phone company in the 90s, was when I was told that ISDN doesn't have an IP address, and no I don't mean in some sort of niche point to point frame relay stuff, I mean as in for piss poor Internet access. I did ask "well, how is it sending/receiving packets without an Internet Protocol address" and the guy just laughed and said "I don't know man, it just doesn't have an IP address!"

@JaredBusch Pfft, idiot, those aren't earmuffs, they're headphones. What a maroon!

@dave_c said in LAMP on the cheap, or how to optimize ?:

@tonyshowoff said in LAMP on the cheap, or how to optimize ?:

Installing crappy cPanel is like buying a sports car and putting a boot on the wheel. There's literally no good reason what so ever to have it, it's slow as hell and eats resources like crazy. Just learn a few commands and you'll be fine.

That is wisdom. It strikes me that the OP said the client needs cPanel.

I didn't even see that. But on that note though, cPanel would just give the client more opportunities to screw things up, depending on any agreement it may or may not be a good idea to talk them out of it. Realistically if you can't setup cPanel in the very least, you probably can't be trusted with the power it gives you over the system.

@scottalanmiller The NYNEX OC3 I mentioned above, was over multiple links and they claimed that it was "redundant", but as you can imagine, if you were in the New York area in the 90s, it's NYNEX so it's easy to believe they'd say something like that.

@scottalanmiller said in LAMP on the cheap, or how to optimize ?:

@tonyshowoff said in LAMP on the cheap, or how to optimize ?:

? What database are you looking at using, that'd really be the only reason to have an object cache like memcached at all.

MariaDB. Its' a LAMP stack.

Well I wasn't sure what to think because he was talking about PHP-FPM which typically is used with nginx and not Apache, I thought maybe he was using it as a generic term.

@scottalanmiller Multiple ISPs though gets me. At any rate, holy cow, then again I ran out on my bill in the 90s, and the more I think about it, it may have $17k. Looks like I got a bargain, thanks NYNEX you shitshow of a company.

@Dashrender said in I can't even:

@tonyshowoff said in I can't even:

@DustinB3403 That reasoning is a bit spurious. I'm curious about what kind of ISP has that huge of a termination fee, on top of multiple ones since evidently there are at least two since it'd be 80k per ISP.

I asked cox what the fee for termination would be - they told me the remaining contract term. not sure it's reasonable they could get it.. but they could try... unless teh contract says otherwise.

I once terminated an OC3 contract years ago, it was $10k but I just never paid it. So 80k per ISP, hmm.

@DustinB3403 That reasoning is a bit spurious. I'm curious about what kind of ISP has that huge of a termination fee, on top of multiple ones since evidently there are at least two since it'd be 80k per ISP.

Installing crappy cPanel is like buying a sports car and putting a boot on the wheel. There's literally no good reason what so ever to have it, it's slow as hell and eats resources like crazy. Just learn a few commands and you'll be fine.

Don't get yourself stuck with PHP 5.x, it's a dead end, fix your code now and/or do it right from the start and use PHP 7.

Apache with mod_php is a hell of a lot faster than PHP-FPM, because it's executed as a part of your running httpd thread pool rather than executing PHP literally every single page request. Nginx is faster than Apache except when it comes to PHP then hands down always use Apache with mod_php. If you turn on PHP 7's opcache you'll do even better.

In case you consider it and try to go with nginx, since that's what the cool kids try to push on people, OPcache won't make up for PHP-FPM having to literally start a process every single page request, every, single, page request. Nginx is a great reverse proxy though.

It also depends on what you're doing overall, memcached is great I've used it on a huge scale but what are you caching? What database are you looking at using, that'd really be the only reason to have an object cache like memcached at all.

@dafyre I can't remember if Windows + E opens file explorer as set in registry or simply runs the shell again, I seem to remember that being a weird issue I had to deal with but it may have been with 98 rather than NT. Because in the infinite genius of Microsoft, explorer.exe runs both the shell and file explorer.

Essentially when it executes, if it sees other mutexes (instances of itself running) it will hook the DLL(s) for the file explorer, otherwise it assumes the shell has not started or has crash and just reloads the shell (probably still hooks shell32.dll). It's why you can kill explorer.exe totally and then run it again from task manager and it'll restart the shell and not just open up (My) Computer. Otherwise if you execute explorer.exe with Explorer already running you'll get your computer or whatever it's set to navigate to.