If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch
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@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?
Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?
they already do, with breaking.
I'm sure you've seen the ads.My point is, if autonomous cars are better than humans, why should we allow a human to ever be able to control the vehicle? We should only input the address of where we want to go, tap a button and be on our way. The car should do everything from there, route planning and everything else.
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?
Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?
they already do, with breaking.
I'm sure you've seen the ads.My point is, if autonomous cars are better than humans, why should we allow a human to ever be able to control the vehicle? We should only input the address of where we want to go, tap a button and be on our way. The car should do everything from there, route planning and everything else.
Because the cars and other technology don't exist yet in a tried and trued way yet. Give it another 5 years and it might be.
But the public won't simply accept it because someone claims it's so. Plus how do you handle the poor? Is this going to be another government program, trade in your old clunker that isn't worth $500 for a brand new $20K (probably more like $80K) car? I hope not.
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Now one set of speculation is that uber will take over the world. People won't own cars anymore, now you'll just call for a ride to xyz place. the car shows up, you get it, it takes you to where you want to go, and drops you off and leaves.
Frankly that situation is unacceptable to me. I don't want to decide that I want to run out for icecream and have to wait 20 mins for a car to arrive. I want to decide on a whim and get in and go.
So I see a blending of these two things. Those who don't feel the need to have instant access to decide to go the as needed bases. Even better, then could set a schedule for things like going to work, going home, lunch, etc. You go to work every day at 7:15, the car is outside waiting for you, etc.
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I'm never going to own an autonomous car, I think where it is headed will remove the need of ownership of a car, you pay a ride share company that has a fleet of them to pick you up and drop you off.
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@brianlittlejohn said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I'm never going to own an autonomous car, I think where it is headed will remove the need of ownership of a car, you pay a ride share company that has a fleet of them to pick you up and drop you off.
This I could see occurring for public transit, or large business complexes.
But as a general concept I want my own space, and having to share a ride with 3 or more other people who I work with (or only know from the car share) would drive me insane.
I'd probably end up stabbing someone.
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@brianlittlejohn said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I'm never going to own an autonomous car, I think where it is headed will remove the need of ownership of a car, you pay a ride share company that has a fleet of them to pick you up and drop you off.
This idea works great when you're in a huge city, and more in the center of that city than when in a smaller one or an outlier where those "cabs" won't be as available, that time delay might be completely undesirable to many, I know it would be to me.
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@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Now one set of speculation is that uber will take over the world. People won't own cars anymore, now you'll just call for a ride to xyz place.
How could Uber or any ride share company take over if car ownership goes away? you are contradicting yourself.
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@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Now one set of speculation is that uber will take over the world. People won't own cars anymore, now you'll just call for a ride to xyz place.
How could Uber or any ride share company take over if car ownership goes away? you are contradicting yourself.
He's saying personal car ownership, not a business ownership of cars.
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I was using uber as an example, but if you prefer uncle sam, of the state, that's fine, please substitute whichever entity into that sentence you like and then re read it.
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Better safe than enslaved
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@MattSpeller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Better safe than enslaved
Wouldn't losing the ability to travel around as you please be similar to enslavement? If you wanted to up and drive to <insert location> this instant, but couldn't because the Government run transportation system didn't make that route.
Isn't that essentially slavery to your location / job?
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@MattSpeller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Better safe than enslaved
Wouldn't losing the ability to travel around as you please be similar to enslavement? If you wanted to up and drive to <insert location> this instant, but couldn't because the Government run transportation system didn't make that route.
Isn't that essentially slavery to your location / job?
No
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@MattSpeller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Better safe than enslaved
Wouldn't losing the ability to travel around as you please be similar to enslavement? If you wanted to up and drive to <insert location> this instant, but couldn't because the Government run transportation system didn't make that route.
Isn't that essentially slavery to your location / job?
no.
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Why do you both disagree with me?
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Why do you both disagree with me?
This is slavery:
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Why do you both disagree with me?
Enslavement is the act of making someone a slave. A slave is a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. Being tied to a specific location is not enslavement or even similar to it. It's having less options.
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@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Why do you both disagree with me?
Enslavement is the act of making someone a slave. A slave is a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. Being tied to a specific location is not enslavement or even similar to it. It's having less options.
A slave has 2 choices, do as you're told, or be beaten / killed. I don't really see the difference (sorry)
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Being stuck in one location to me is comparable to false imprisonment. Which is equatable to slavery in that you aren't free to do what you want.
So to say "if you can't travel, that's just less options" is equatable to slavery in that you aren't able to do what you want.
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
Being stuck in one location to me is comparable to false imprisonment. Which is equatable to slavery in that you aren't free to do what you want.
So to say "if you can't travel, that's just less options" is equatable to slavery in that you aren't able to do what you want.
It just sounds to be like you think the government is encroaching on our liberty (assuming you are American). There is an argument for that for sure.
