Rocket Chat vs. Jabber
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
7 users for AD? Noooo thank you.
That would be my take. I'd just manage them individually. Even MS doesn't recommend rolling it out at that size.
I managed a SBS2011 server (took over) for a user base of about 12 people and as many PCs. Came with rolled up Exchange/AD/etc. Some said it was super convenient. I thought it was a damn nightmare. When that server went down, all operations halted. Before I came, there were no UPSs either, just plugged right into the wall, no battery backup. When the power went out, the databases were guillotined. The horror!
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And twelve is considered the inflection point where you would normally use AD (but not Exchange on premises) for user management.
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Yeah hose that - local AD for that?
What these companies need to get working on in Azure AD integration. Move those 10 users to O365 on Windows 10, join AAD and call it day.
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7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
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@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
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@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
And No CALs..
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
And No CALs..
And no spending time figuring out how many CALs you need, tracking to make sure you really have them, updating all of the licenses when you upgrade, storing all the documentation, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
Not fake at all, it's very real AD. It's just not on Windows. But it is completely AD. Remember AD is a copy of LDAP, not the other way around.
Group Policy has been available from Linux since the 1990s.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
Not fake at all, it's very real AD. It's just not on Windows. But it is completely AD. Remember AD is a copy of LDAP, not the other way around.
Group Policy has been available from Linux since the 1990s.
Thanks for the correction. I knew it wasn't right, but I had to have a way to get you to talk about it.
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@IRJ said:
you have to add users to your friend list one at a time.
You can push out Lists, in addition to using the LDAP search.
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I just setup rocket chat on my local vm to test, the voice/video call never worked for me. Tried on my DO instance, same issue.
@scottalanmiller does video/voice call/screensharing works for you?
On Win/ MAC browser- clicking on video/voice on the browser, bring me the permission popup for granting access to cam and audio, but then i get a black screen.
On the desktop client- the button click doesnt do anything!
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@Ambarishrh said:
@scottalanmiller does video/voice call/screensharing works for you?
A lot of times those require tie ins to a PBX or telepresense system to work.
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@Ambarishrh said:
I just setup rocket chat on my local vm to test, the voice/video call never worked for me. Tried on my DO instance, same issue.
@scottalanmiller does video/voice call/screensharing works for you?
On Win/ MAC browser- clicking on video/voice on the browser, bring me the permission popup for granting access to cam and audio, but then i get a black screen.
On the desktop client- the button click doesnt do anything!
I'll have to test.
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Make sure you actually edit those environment variables... I forgot to do that, and the Web site would work fine, but the mobile client wouldn't work at all.... probably because it was trying to connect to the LAB url that was in the original script.
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Following up, how is this project going?
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The only reason we haven't completely moved to Rocket.Chat is because it does not have XMPP support, but you bet when it's there, we're moving everything over. Currently we use something internally built that's a nightmare to deal with. If it takes too long, I may just contribute to that project myself and make something, or fork it if they don't want it
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@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
The only reason we haven't completely moved to Rocket.Chat is because it does not have XMPP support, but you bet when it's there, we're moving everything over. Currently we use something internally built that's a nightmare to deal with. If it takes too long, I may just contribute to that project myself and make something, or fork it if they don't want it
Have you tried Mattermost? If not, why not? If so, what did you like better about Rocket.Chat?
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@scottalanmiller said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
The only reason we haven't completely moved to Rocket.Chat is because it does not have XMPP support, but you bet when it's there, we're moving everything over. Currently we use something internally built that's a nightmare to deal with. If it takes too long, I may just contribute to that project myself and make something, or fork it if they don't want it
Have you tried Mattermost? If not, why not? If so, what did you like better about Rocket.Chat?
Yes and it was a piece of shit that was way more difficult to deal with, with fewer overall features. Rocket.Chat is closer to my ideal, just in general. Granted time has passed and this may not be true any more, but when I am ready to move things over I will look into all options again, but for now I'm mostly waiting on Rocket.Chat.
