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    Rocket Chat vs. Jabber

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    • bbigfordB
      bbigford
      last edited by bbigford

      I've read that Jabber is free, then I've read it's only free for CUCM customers. Is that true? If it is free to all, how do you stack it up to Rocket Chat? I'm looking to step away from Skype for Business and looking for solid alternatives. 95% of this goal is just to IM internally. Anything beyond that would be nice to have but easy to live without. I know that SAM did a Rocket Chat setup thread, just looking at all alternatives that are free in business like Rocket Chat, OpenFire, etc.

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      • coliverC
        coliver
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        There are two different forms of Jabber. The first is the Jabber/XMPP protocol that application suites like OpenFire use to do instant messaging. Then there is the Jabber instant messaging suite that Cisco developed and named the same thing as a well defined protocol....

        Jabber, the protocol, is free and opensource. Jabber, the application, is not.

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          Jason Banned @bbigford
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          @BBigford said:

          I've read that Jabber is free, then I've read it's only free for CUCM customers. Is that true? If it is free to all, how do you stack it up to Rocket Chat? I'm looking to step away from Skype for Business and looking for solid alternatives. 95% of this goal is just to IM internally. Anything beyond that would be nice to have but easy to live without. I know that SAM did a Rocket Chat setup thread, just looking at all alternatives that are free in business like Rocket Chat, OpenFire, etc.

          Cisco Jabber is not free it requires a license but it not enforced client side. It requires a per user license (Usually just CUWL Standard for each user to cover phone and Jabber). I think you are confusing the Cisco Jabber with Jabber/XMPP Protocol which is open source. Cisco Jabber also doesn't connect to just any server (though CUPS will federate with and XMPP, AOL etc)

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          • coliverC
            coliver
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            There are tons of Jabber/XMPP servers out there. I think OpenFire is the best known.

            http://xmpp.org/software/servers.html

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            • coliverC
              coliver
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              I haven't used either rocket.chat or OpenFire in production. So I can't really comment on those. I will say that rocket.chat seems to more akin to a chatroom style system then OpenFire which is pretty much direct IM.

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre @coliver
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                @coliver said:

                I haven't used either rocket.chat or OpenFire in production. So I can't really comment on those. I will say that rocket.chat seems to more akin to a chatroom style system then OpenFire which is pretty much direct IM.

                That is a good analysis.

                If you want IM stuff, use openFire or another XMPP server.

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @dafyre
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                  @dafyre said:

                  @coliver said:

                  I haven't used either rocket.chat or OpenFire in production. So I can't really comment on those. I will say that rocket.chat seems to more akin to a chatroom style system then OpenFire which is pretty much direct IM.

                  That is a good analysis.

                  If you want IM stuff, use openFire or another XMPP server.

                  Although it looks like rocket.chat does allow for direct messages it just doesn't seem like that is the intended function of it.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @bbigford
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                    @BBigford said:

                    I've read that Jabber is free

                    Jabber is the old name of the XMPP protocol. It's an open protocol.

                    There are tons of Jabber servers. Google Talk and OpenFire are the main players.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @coliver
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                      @coliver said:

                      Jabber, the application, is not.

                      Real Jabber is free. We ran the Jabber Daemon for years before OpenFire was around. Cisco Jabber always has to be Cisco Jabber and isn't Jabber, ever.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @coliver
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                        @coliver said:

                        Although it looks like rocket.chat does allow for direct messages it just doesn't seem like that is the intended function of it.

                        Rocket.chat is a clone of Slack. Slack is built to be a direct replacement for Jabber/XMPP as well as IRC, all in one. It goes after the Skype, Lync / Skype for Business and similar space. It tries to do a lot. Rocket.chat goes after the IM market just as much as OpenFire does, but it goes after the group chat functionality as well in a way that the rest never really do.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @coliver said:

                          Although it looks like rocket.chat does allow for direct messages it just doesn't seem like that is the intended function of it.

                          Rocket.chat is a clone of Slack. Slack is built to be a direct replacement for Jabber/XMPP as well as IRC, all in one. It goes after the Skype, Lync / Skype for Business and similar space. It tries to do a lot. Rocket.chat goes after the IM market just as much as OpenFire does, but it goes after the group chat functionality as well in a way that the rest never really do.

                          That's good to know.

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                          • IRJI
                            IRJ
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                            We use Cisco Jabber since we have the licensing, but it really isn't that great. It's pretty basic but gets the job done. It reminds me of messengers from 10 years ago. Not alot of features, you have to add users to your friend list one at a time. It does work well, but the features are dated and limited.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                              @IRJ said:

                              We use Cisco Jabber since we have the licensing, but it really isn't that great.

                              That was redundant 😉

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                              • coliverC
                                coliver @IRJ
                                last edited by

                                @IRJ said:

                                We use Cisco Jabber since we have the licensing, but it really isn't that great. It's pretty basic but gets the job done. It reminds me of messengers from 10 years ago. Not alot of features, you have to add users to your friend list one at a time. It does work well, but the features are dated and limited.

                                We use AIM still here... we have licenses for Cisco Jabber but it is not in production.

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                                • IRJI
                                  IRJ
                                  last edited by

                                  Oh and Cisco Jabber is quite complicated like all Cisco stuff

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                                  • wirestyle22W
                                    wirestyle22
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                                    Why isn't my network entirely Linux based? Can anyone tell me?

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @wirestyle22
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                                      @wirestyle22 said:

                                      Why isn't my network entirely Linux based? Can anyone tell me?

                                      Politics?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                        @wirestyle22 said:

                                        Why isn't my network entirely Linux based? Can anyone tell me?

                                        Smokey the Bear has the answer... Only you can prevent Windows deployments.

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                                        • wirestyle22W
                                          wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @wirestyle22 said:

                                          Why isn't my network entirely Linux based? Can anyone tell me?

                                          Smokey the Bear has the answer... Only you can prevent Windows deployments.

                                          This is why everyone tells me I have dead eyes.

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                                          • bbigfordB
                                            bbigford @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @wirestyle22 said:

                                            Why isn't my network entirely Linux based? Can anyone tell me?

                                            Smokey the Bear has the answer... Only you can prevent Windows deployments.

                                            Haha classic!

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