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    VMware Axes the Workstation and Fusion Teams

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    • StrongBadS
      StrongBad @Kelly
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      @Kelly said:

      @StrongBad said:

      @Kelly said:

      @StrongBad said:

      Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.

      We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.

      What do you use them for?

      Our scientists run computations locally using VMs.

      And the upstream agencies would dictate the available hypervisor options?

      is this like Linux computation nodes running on Windows desktops?

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @Kelly
        last edited by

        @Kelly said:

        @StrongBad said:

        Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.

        We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box),

        Might I ask - Why?

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        • KellyK
          Kelly @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said:

          @Kelly said:

          @StrongBad said:

          Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.

          We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box),

          Might I ask - Why?

          Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

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          • KellyK
            Kelly @StrongBad
            last edited by

            @StrongBad said:

            @Kelly said:

            @StrongBad said:

            @Kelly said:

            @StrongBad said:

            Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.

            We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.

            What do you use them for?

            Our scientists run computations locally using VMs.

            And the upstream agencies would dictate the available hypervisor options?

            is this like Linux computation nodes running on Windows desktops?

            Upstream can dictate what they will allow their data to sit on or they won't give us their data. We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Kelly
              last edited by

              @Kelly said:

              Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

              There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?

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              • KellyK
                Kelly @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said:

                @Kelly said:

                Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

                There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?

                They are running the computations locally on their laptop.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Kelly
                  last edited by

                  @Kelly said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Kelly said:

                  Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

                  There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?

                  They are running the computations locally on their laptop.

                  Can't they run them on the base OS?

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                  • KellyK
                    Kelly @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @Kelly said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @Kelly said:

                    Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

                    There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?

                    They are running the computations locally on their laptop.

                    Can't they run them on the base OS?

                    The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @aaron-closed account
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                        @aaron said:

                        This is disappointing, I like Fusion. I will never buy Parallels again after they started serving me pop-up advertising to the VM host.

                        I never liked any of them. VirtualBox is So good.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @aaron-closed account
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                          @aaron said:

                          This is disappointing, I like Fusion. I will never buy Parallels again after they started serving me pop-up advertising to the VM host.

                          I have used Parallels since version 7 or so and have never seen this.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @Kelly
                            last edited by

                            @Kelly said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Kelly said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Kelly said:

                            Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

                            There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?

                            They are running the computations locally on their laptop.

                            Can't they run them on the base OS?

                            The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.

                            The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop? unless of course the DC is either overloaded or just has old junk hardware.

                            This whole situation just seems weird to me.

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                            • KellyK
                              Kelly @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @Kelly said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @Kelly said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @Kelly said:

                              Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.

                              There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?

                              They are running the computations locally on their laptop.

                              Can't they run them on the base OS?

                              The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.

                              The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop? unless of course the DC is either overloaded or just has old junk hardware.

                              This whole situation just seems weird to me.

                              Yup, decisions were made. Some good, some bad. Either way, that is the culture here, now. I'm working toward something that might move the compute to servers, but it will take time.

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                              • Deleted74295D
                                Deleted74295 Banned @Kelly
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                                @Kelly said:

                                We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.

                                Falls off chair

                                An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?

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                                • travisdh1T
                                  travisdh1 @Deleted74295
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                                  @Breffni-Potter said:

                                  @Kelly said:

                                  We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.

                                  Falls off chair

                                  An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?

                                  Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Kelly
                                    last edited by

                                    @Kelly said:

                                    We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.

                                    That is so awesome.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @travisdh1
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                                      @travisdh1 said:

                                      Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.

                                      This is the surprising part..

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @travisdh1
                                        last edited by

                                        @travisdh1 said:

                                        @Breffni-Potter said:

                                        @Kelly said:

                                        We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.

                                        Falls off chair

                                        An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?

                                        Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.

                                        Yeah actually it's quite surprising that someone that high up would be willing to listen and do the right thing.

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                                        • Deleted74295D
                                          Deleted74295 Banned @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said:

                                          @travisdh1 said:

                                          Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.

                                          This is the surprising part..

                                          Hence my fall off the chair reaction...

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                                          • MattSpellerM
                                            MattSpeller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by MattSpeller

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop?

                                            I used to enjoy workstation as it was a slick way to spin up vm's on my laptop for testing stuff. Switched to virtualbox and haven't looked back.

                                            Edit: related note, if you think that'd be handy for yourself too, get a 500gb SSD and 16/32GB of RAM. You can have VM's up and down in only seconds. This is on a cheap i5-3210M 2.5ghz, nothing fancy.

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