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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Jason
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      @Jason said:

      @Dashrender said:

      I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?

      Oracle makes sense for Enterprise stuff.. Not as much as it used to. But you can't really compare them to your low end Dell/HP stuff.

      Oracle Sparc gear is extremely high end and probably the best on the market. But their AMD64 gear is just on par with Dell and HP. Nothing special that I've seen.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @ntoxicator
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        @ntoxicator said:

        I'm sure I could spec the servers enough with local storage to support the needs. However, then I be diving into HA-lizard terratory and would completely get away from our current NAS centralized storage.

        If you need anything at SA (Standard Availability) or higher (like HA) you can't have that NAS in the picture. There is literally no means of using it (except as decoupled like as a backup target.) If you are comfortable with LA (Low Availability - meaning lower than a single server on its own with no protection of any sort) then you can use the NAS. But your stated goals rule the NAS out completely, no ifs ands or buts.

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        • J
          Jason Banned
          last edited by Jason

          You can always get two SANs and Two Hosts but it will be really expensive for not much of a setup.

          You can get server with well over 20TB of local storage.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @ntoxicator
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            @ntoxicator said:

            Then its the though, Ok... then why not go with a packaged solution such as HC Scale.

            I think that those are really the only two major good options... something like XenServer plus HA-Lizard that you support yourself or get third party support for (like from @ntg) or going with a full packaged HC product that does all of this for you and you get inclusive support.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              Why are you comparing high end Oracle servers to low end HP/Dell? or are you saying that all HP/Dell are low end compared to Oracle? and if that is what you are saying, what make Oracle so much better? All all the leads solid gold? (kidding on that of course)

              Oracle, HP, Dell, Fujitsu are all on parity. Cisco and SuperMicro is a bit lower, but still quite good (Cisco has questionable value, SM has good value.)

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @ntoxicator
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                @ntoxicator said:

                LENOVO & the Lenovo IBM Server X were thecheapest so far

                So is slapping a whitebox desktop in there. Still crazy 😉

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                • ntoxicatorN
                  ntoxicator
                  last edited by

                  Thanks everyone for continued input 🙂

                  Lenovo & Sever X are now off the list and will not be mentioned again or brought up for pricing.

                  I can re-provision these NAS units for back-up targets as suggested. Keep what is already here and then spend the money to do HA-setup using localized storage on the nodes

                  Its getting the CEO to pull bandaid off and spend some $$. We generate plenty in gross revenue and plenty to spare for net profit. 50 grand worth of new equipment I think would not be all that bad considering it can left in production for probably 4+ years

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                  • AconboyA
                    Aconboy @ntoxicator
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                    @ntoxicator - for that kind of money, I could put in a cluster at the primary site, and cluster at a DR site, and have real time replication with failover and failback (and likely still have beer money left over).

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                    • ntoxicatorN
                      ntoxicator @Aconboy
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                      @Aconboy

                      Cool! 🙂 Would this be HC-Scale you're talking?

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                      • AconboyA
                        Aconboy @ntoxicator
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                        @ntoxicator yup. Straight list on a 2000 series 3 node cluster (before discounting) is ~35k, and a 1000 series is ~25k.... not hard to get there at all.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @ntoxicator
                          last edited by

                          @ntoxicator said:

                          Thanks everyone for continued input 🙂

                          Lenovo & Sever X are now off the list and will not be mentioned again or brought up for pricing.

                          I can re-provision these NAS units for back-up targets as suggested. Keep what is already here and then spend the money to do HA-setup using localized storage on the nodes

                          Its getting the CEO to pull bandaid off and spend some $$. We generate plenty in gross revenue and plenty to spare for net profit. 50 grand worth of new equipment I think would not be all that bad considering it can left in production for probably 4+ years

                          Holy crap $50K? I wish I had that kind of budget in the past!

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                          • ntoxicatorN
                            ntoxicator @Aconboy
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                            @Aconboy - nice!

                            I thought was going to be more than that..... next week lets maybe get together for webinar and review. like to see the entire rundown

                            also there any documentation on migrating from XenServer VM to HC scale? Or does it support the same disk image

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              While a Scale solution would be awesome... it just seems like overkill.

                              But if HA is really that important to the CEO, he has little choice I suppose.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @coliver
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                                @coliver said:

                                Holy crap $50K? I wish I had that kind of budget in the past!

                                Where's my 1 Million likes button?

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                                • AconboyA
                                  Aconboy @ntoxicator
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                                  @ntoxicator I can directly import .qcow2 images. Where are you located in the country and I will have a guy ping you directly

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                                  • ntoxicatorN
                                    ntoxicator @coliver
                                    last edited by

                                    @coliver

                                    I'm anticipating 50k budget. Considering the millions of dollars we're grossing. They made comment of wanting something that will hold out until 2018 or so. To support ~300-400 employee's

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                                    • ntoxicatorN
                                      ntoxicator @Aconboy
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                                      @Aconboy - East Coast.... Florida

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @ntoxicator
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                                        @ntoxicator said:

                                        @coliver

                                        I'm anticipating 50k budget. Considering the millions of dollars we're grossing. They made comment of wanting something that will hold out until 2018 or so. To support ~300-400 employee's

                                        Then just do what we all told you to do and buy Scale gear.

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                                        • ntoxicatorN
                                          ntoxicator
                                          last edited by

                                          We have a local data center down the road as well.. I've been wanting to negotiate shared rack space for power + BW as alternative backup area or for future hosting needs. That is separate topic for another day. Sure I'll get flamed for that one lol.

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @ntoxicator
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                                            @ntoxicator said:

                                            We have a local data center down the road as well.. I've been wanting to negotiate shared rack space for power + BW as alternative backup area or for future hosting needs. That is separate topic for another day. Sure I'll get flamed for that one lol.

                                            I'll flame it right here.. You don't negotiate for shared rack space. If they are truly a data center, then you rent collocation space. Negotiate your price point and bandwidth, sure. but it is a simple, clear concept.

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