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    Virtualization Redemption?

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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by

      I have to ask, where is the tight spot? Are the servers not capable of failing over because they don't have enough power, is licensing an issue?

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      • coliverC
        coliver
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        Other then using ESXi free when there are much better options available I'm not sure where the issue lies. It sounds like you are doing what you need to do.

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        • dafyreD
          dafyre
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          Does ESXi Free do the Replication?

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @dafyre
            last edited by

            @dafyre said:

            Does ESXi Free do the Replication?

            No it doesn't. At least not with HA. Essentials Plus is the only "cheap" option from VMWare for HA.

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            • dafyreD
              dafyre
              last edited by

              It sounds to me like the Replication bits are the only thing he's missing, then.

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              • coliverC
                coliver @dafyre
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                @dafyre said:

                It sounds to me like the Replication bits are the only thing he's missing, then.

                Although not really... especailly if he is able to setup SQL and AD replication to this third party site. Replication at the application level is generally better for this.

                Sorry for my ignorance what does SRS and ERX stand for?

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                  Alex Sage
                  last edited by Alex Sage

                  Since Host 3 is free install Hyper V on it, and move stuff over 1 server at a time.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    He's already using one of the most popular hypervisors. There is no reason to switch to Hyper-V and then convert all of his VM's.

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                      Alex Sage @DustinB3403
                      last edited by Alex Sage

                      @DustinB3403

                      Can you replica with replicate with ESXi Free? No.

                      Can you do a live migration with ESXi Free? No.

                      http://vinfrastructure.it/2013/09/hyper-v-2012r2-vs-vsphere-5-5/

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                      • coliverC
                        coliver @Alex Sage
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                        @anonymous said:

                        @DustinB3403

                        Can you replica with replicate with ESXi Free? No.

                        Can you do a live migration with ESXi Free? No.

                        While this is true, he may not have to do either of those things depending on how his applications are setup.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @Alex Sage
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                          @anonymous said:

                          @DustinB3403

                          Can you replica with replicate with ESXi Free? No.

                          Can you do a live migration with ESXi Free? No.

                          Maybe, but it'll be a difficult fight to sell to the client that "OH hey we need to change your backbone out for a different one" It doesn't address his issue.

                          He needs to setup HA fail over between the three host using what he has.

                          Additionally, why use the youngest Hypervisor of all, why not use Xen? Anyways rather than side tracking the conversation, changing the Hypervisor doesn't correct the issue quickly and appropriately.

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                            Alex Sage @coliver
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                            @coliver said:

                            While this is true, he may not have to do either of those things depending on how his applications are setup.

                            What about backups?

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
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                              He's looking for a DR solution. If either of the two servers at his main site die, those servers need to be running at the remote DC in as little time as possible.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                Backups only will only work with the system he has. He still needs a way to have the 3rd host take over and turn those backup's on.

                                Assuming that they are in fact "good" backups and have nothing wrong with them.

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                                • coliverC
                                  coliver @Alex Sage
                                  last edited by

                                  @anonymous said:

                                  @coliver said:

                                  While this is true, he may not have to do either of those things depending on how his applications are setup.

                                  What about backups?

                                  You could easily backup the virtual machines on ESXi Free... you just couldn't do it at the host level. Does this deminish some of the value of virtualization? Yes but it is valid none-the-less.

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                                    Alex Sage @DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    He needs to setup HA fail over between the three host using what he has.

                                    That is going to cost him at least 5K with VMware.....

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      He's looking for a DR solution. If either of the two servers at his main site die, those servers need to be running at the remote DC in as little time as possible.

                                      He is using AD and SQL two applications that have built in replication, he could setup a VPN connection and replicate over that. My biggest question is can the ERX and SRS applications be run in the configuration as well. Or do they pull from AD and SQL if it is the latter then that just makes this much easier.

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                                        Alex Sage
                                        last edited by Alex Sage

                                        One year of VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit is $5,439.00

                                        Hyper V is free, and doesn't require shared storage.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
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                                          My thought is to use something like Appassure or any backup product that will not only backup the VMs but also push the VM in a ready to start state to another VM host, i.e. his host at the remote DC.

                                          Sure he'd lose whatever new data was made since the last backup, but the amount of downtime would be minimal. The old server dies, he simply starts up the VM on the remote VM Host.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            XenServer also has a fully free solution which is all inclusive, which also doesn't require shared storage.

                                            And again, this doesn't provide any help to the OP.

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