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    Comparing HA-Lizard and XenServer HA

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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
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      Or Amanda, or Create Synchronicity to create incremental backups off host.

      I haven't used either at a large scale solution, Create Synchronicity works great though on any given users system to make incremental backups.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @hubtechagain
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        @hubtechagain said:

        what's the word on this? i'm about to move a client to xen simply for the fact that esxi free doesn't offer any sort of replication/DR very simply.

        HA-Lizard might be a really good choice, lots of features and.. FREE.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said:

          No, it is strictly a running state backup tool. It does however cleanup after it's self. Removing the Snapshot from Xen's local storage, and will remove old backup's after the default of 4. (this default can be changed)

          If you store images on a system with block-level dedupe it will act much like an incremental.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            @DustinB3403 said:

            No, it is strictly a running state backup tool. It does however cleanup after it's self. Removing the Snapshot from Xen's local storage, and will remove old backup's after the default of 4. (this default can be changed)

            If you store images on a system with block-level dedupe it will act much like an incremental.

            It kicks the VM offline to perform a snapshot, so if you're willing to take your VM's down for that given length of time on schedule every so often I suppose it could.

            Seems like overkill to me.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              No, it is strictly a running state backup tool. It does however cleanup after it's self. Removing the Snapshot from Xen's local storage, and will remove old backup's after the default of 4. (this default can be changed)

              If you store images on a system with block-level dedupe it will act much like an incremental.

              It kicks the VM offline to perform a snapshot, so if you're willing to take your VM's down for that given length of time on schedule every so often I suppose it could.

              Seems like overkill to me.

              Say what? it shuts the VM down?

              So much for years of uptime.
              😉

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403
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                Years of uptime, as awesome as it sounds doesn't really work.

                It sets the VM to a suspend state while it build the backup file. (At least this is what NAUBackup does).

                So technically speaking your Uptime counter should still continue, as far as the VM knows.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  Years of uptime, as awesome as it sounds doesn't really work.

                  It sets the VM to a suspend state while it build the backup file. (At least this is what NAUBackup does).

                  So technically speaking your Uptime counter should still continue, as far as the VM knows.

                  I take it you can't use that on things like SQL and Exchange then?

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
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                    I haven't had anything to try yet that is heavily used. We have our Asset management system which is built on a SQL Database, and that gets backed up weekly without issue.

                    But there are only 2-4 people accessing the database at a time, at the most.

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                    • dafyreD
                      dafyre
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                      I was under the impression that there was only a blip in the machine's activity as the snapshot was taken (this usually doesn't take but a second or two, right?).

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
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                        Just testing now, it takes maybe 3-5 seconds to run per VM in our environment.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403
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                          And that is only the Snapshot portion, migrating it off host obviously takes a bit of time.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            And that is only the Snapshot portion, migrating it off host obviously takes a bit of time.

                            Sure, but other than using some resources shouldn't really be noticed by the VMs themselves.

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                            • dafyreD
                              dafyre @DustinB3403
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                              @DustinB3403 After the snapshots are complete, the VMs should go back to running.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @dafyre
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                                @dafyre Correct they do.

                                Immediately after those first few seconds. The data transfer off host takes the longest amount of time to complete.

                                I have 4 VM's that we backup (care about) that use 696GB of data, so the transfer time takes a bit.

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                                • dafyreD
                                  dafyre @DustinB3403
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                                  @DustinB3403 How much does that affect the performance of the VMs that are running while your backups are being copied off?

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
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                                    I've never monitored them.

                                    The work is being done by Dom0, not the VM.

                                    And with the resources being statically assigned I can't imagine that there is much of a hit to the performance of the VM's them self.

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