Network Administrator I- Discussion
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This topic has been moved to IT Careers. This is a more appropriate space for this discussion.
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That's more appropriate for the discussion that followed, but not really appropriate for the OP.
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Oh I agree that for the OP it's not the best place. But for the discussion that follwed it is.
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Can we change the title to "Network Administrator 1 - Discussion" and have @IRJ repost the OP in the appropriate section?
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Done.
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It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts
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They want the starts for sure.
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@scottalanmiller (!^&!^(#&^%!(*%@)
curse of the last name heh
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@MattSpeller said:
It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts
The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less
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@IRJ oh, I'm sure it's probably quite good! Just commenting on how it was written
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@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts
The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less
I've actually been offered way more in Orlando
But... Orlando. LOLBut you are right, Orlando is a terrible market and that pay range seems quite reasonable.
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At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I've actually been offered way more in Orlando
We don't wanna hear about your indecent proposal at Disney.
A gang bang with Minnie and Pluto? Shame on you!
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@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts
The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less
It's much higher than this area. I used to get offered System Administrator roles for under $30k all the time, when my last job was over $10k more. Now that I'm actually looking for a job those don't even come up lol.
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I am seeing in the market take a dive for pay rates in the more rural areas these days. There is an MSP in Rochester that is paying their Engineering people $15/hour. Their helpdesk get $9/hour. They also only charge customers around $75/hour though so what can you expect?
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Well, I know a few of the places I interviewed for have outsource those jobs overseas instead of hiring. It seems to be a trend. Most of them were Linux Admins, System Admins or network Admins. Apparently they can hire firms over there to do it much cheaper and then just pay an inexperienced techs $9 for desktops/hardware stuff. Seems dumb, especially at the thousands of employees level.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Well, I know a few of the places I interviewed for have outsource those jobs overseas instead of hiring. It seems to be a trend. Most of them were Linux Admins, System Admins or network Admins. Apparently they can hire firms over there to do it much cheaper and then just pay an inexperienced techs $9 for desktops/hardware stuff. Seems dumb, especially at the thousands of employees level.
That's the standard offshoring model. Companies have been doing it for forever. SMB customers have a tendency to not care about quality, only price, so offshoring makes you almost unbeatable.
I was offshore support for Europe for much of my career.
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Seems like it was predicted already that many of the IT jobs will be offshored by 2016 http://www.informationweek.com/it-strategy/270000-more-it-jobs-headed-offshore/d/d-id/1103494
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Seems like it was predicted already that many of the IT jobs will be offshored by 2016 http://www.informationweek.com/it-strategy/270000-more-it-jobs-headed-offshore/d/d-id/1103494
That's been predicted continuously since the 1990s. It never ends. The reality is is that it is an ebb and flow. Companies see lower prices and go overseas. Then they get low quality work or legal issues and come back to the expensive countries.
There are places that are logical to have a lot of IT work and the US is generally not one of them. Doing work in the US where prices are high is not super sensible, but it is better than say the UK or Norway where prices are even higher. You can get really good work from, say, Spain for far less money - often for people with better training. But going to someplace like India leaves you with little control and major legal hassles that diminish the value.
There is no major outpouring of IT jobs. The top reason that IT jobs leave the States is because the US lacks the number of people able to or willing to do the jobs. Hiring IT in the US is generally hard as there is a lack of people willing to do the jobs in the places where the jobs need to be done. And once you are forced to hire remote workers, why would you hire people in expensive, but equally remote, locations?
