Preparing to Be Disconnected...Completely
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@scottalanmiller said:
@s.hackleman said:
@thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.
It's the "anti white collar" employment laws. White collar jobs are specifically punished compared to blue collar ones in most cases.
It's gotta suck worse for farm hands though.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@s.hackleman said:
@thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.
It's the "anti white collar" employment laws. White collar jobs are specifically punished compared to blue collar ones in most cases.
It's gotta suck worse for farm hands though.
That's generally true. I come from farm country and they have it hard. But when you compare to electricians or plumbers who often get extensive breaks, guaranteed overtime, high pay, often can hold contracts ransom, aren't living in fear of losing their jobs for not producing visible productivity every second of every day, don't have to explain and defend their value all day long, don't have to spend tons of free time working hard just to stay abreast of their field, don't get paged out while on vacation.... IT has it pretty hard.
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You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.
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Ugh. At the county I had to write an monthly essay to "defend my time" to justify why I was working, why the should pay me, and what I accomplished during the month. It sucked. especially in months you may not have tangible results, when testing things and planning.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.
More than once I've pondered throwing my career to the wind and going back to college.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.
More than once I've pondered throwing my career to the wind and going back to college.
What good career does college help with?
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Nursing, Doctors, Accountants, CPAs, etc
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@Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.
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@Hubtech said:
Nursing, Doctors, Accountants, CPAs, etc
All, to me, examples of crappy jobs.
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oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
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@Hubtech said:
@Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.
Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.
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@Hubtech said:
oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
Man, Why do I go to the doctor then? Why have an engineer spec a house?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Hubtech said:
@Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.
Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.
Most states require Civil Engineers to have a bachelors degree and pass state certification.
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@Hubtech said:
oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
Well my whole point was what GOOD job requires a degree? Tons of bad jobs require a degree - basically all ones where you are forced to be a "union" worker with the government protecting your job because the job fails to stand on its own in the US.
Nursing does not require a degree, BTW, it is only because of the massive surplus of nurses out of work and getting degrees to make themselves more employable have created a market where you "need" a degree just because there is little way to differentiate yourself from others in your field.
That's one of the things that make all of these jobs suck - they are all "wellfare" jobs. Basically you buy a degree and the government "owes" you a job by way of guaranteeing only people who paid to get the degree get the limited jobs. These jobs lack the fulfillment that what, to me, any good job would offer.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What good career does college help with?
At some point, the definition of good needs to be explored. While I have a good career by most measures, I find myself looking for something I'm passionate about. I seem to be unable to get to that point in IT, despite the fact that I deeply enjoy a lot of parts of it. So I need to think carefully about how to find in IT what I'm passionate about or explore new careers that might generate that passion as well.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Hubtech said:
oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
Man, Why do I go to the doctor then? Why have an engineer spec a house?
Because of government regulations. Without them, would you? When is the last time you talked to a doctor and felt that they were more qualified than you to diagnose what was wrong?
Doctors are a great example - they aren't, by and large, doing a good job. The government has to make a union like situation where the federal government takes away your rights to medicine and healthcare unless you get it through their approved channels. Doctors don't earn their keep.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.
You're smokin' crack.
I do not know a single engineer that has not been through the engineering program at 4 year school.
Used to could? Sure, but not for 30 years barring the exception to prove the rule as it is said.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Doctors are a great example - they aren't, by and large, doing a good job.
What doctors are you seeing? mine are great.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Most states require Civil Engineers to have a bachelors degree and pass state certification.
Civil, yes. Which is only one of the vast array of engineering degrees and categories.
Manufacturing, industrial, chemical, mechanical, automotive, aeronautic, electrical, computer, manufacturing systems, etc. do not require degrees.
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@scottalanmiller said:
When is the last time you talked to a doctor and felt that they were more qualified than you to diagnose what was wrong?
Uh... every time I go to a doctor. Isn't that how Jobs died?
By most measures Canada does not even get the best ones here because we don't pay them enough.
