Gmail, How Do You Run New Filters Against Existing Inbox
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@thanksajdotcom said:
However, it has been that way for a decade now.
And they still haven't figured out the basics. Gives me no faith that they will ever make Androids usable. It worries me about Chromebooks. It's the one Google product that I really like (even their search has gotten really bad) and I don't trust that it will continue to be good. It seems more likely that they just got lucky and haven't ruined it yet.
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Having to use Gmail is a real business instead of doing it at home only has definitely made me completely disagree with the idea of Google Apps. It's just a home user / hobby system. This is useless in a business. Google doesn't understand business users. They are a consumer toy company and nothing more. Their dedication to bad products is a testament to their marketing being all they are relying on rather than making things that work.
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@scottalanmiller I take it you are still having problems?
What is the volume of email that you have in your GMail account?
I'm sure you know this, but you can tell Android to only keep the last 2 or 3 days of email on your phone assuming you are "stuck" with an Android phone.
I think GMail & GApps are perfectly viable for business. Perhaps not at Enterprise scale...but for the SMB space, it is perfect! Granted, it's not without its issues as you are noticing, which could quite possibly be due to your current location and or internet service. Methinks I would probably classify your (company's) usage somewhere around Enterprise scale. 8-)
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@dafyre said:
I'm sure you know this, but you can tell Android to only keep the last 2 or 3 days of email on your phone assuming you are "stuck" with an Android phone.
No, I need a phone that works
Abandoned Android years ago after it left me abandoned in a foreign country with no working phone. Never, ever again.iPhone will do the same thing, but Gmail sends the emails through so quickly and won't filter out from the Inbox that the continuous ingesting of emails is too much for the phone to keep working.
It's the Inbox, not the total volume, that is the problem.
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@dafyre said:
I think GMail & GApps are perfectly viable for business. Perhaps not at Enterprise scale...but for the SMB space, it is perfect!
I'm in an SMB and have solid proof that it isn't working
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@dafyre said:
What is the volume of email that you have in your GMail account?
Getting about 20K emails a day. Just normal monitoring of apps as IT often has to deal with.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
What is the volume of email that you have in your GMail account?
Getting about 20K emails a day. Just normal monitoring of apps as IT often has to deal with.
Ha ha ha.... Like I said... I figured you for an Enterprise guy. 8-)
I've had my Gmail account for a long time, and I don't even think I've got 20k emails in it... I can't imagine having to sort through (well, okay, letting my Phone sort through) that much email in a day. That's gotta be rough on your battery, lol.
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I'm sorry but 20k per day is not normal, either for an SMB or for an enterprise. Claiming Google Apps is just a hobby/ home user system on the grounds that it struggles to process over 7 million e-mails per year for a single account is unfair.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I'm sorry but 20k per day is not normal, either for an SMB or for an enterprise. Claiming Google Apps is just a hobby/ home user system on the grounds that it struggles to process over 7 million e-mails per year for a single account is unfair.
Ditto this. 20K emails/day is an insane amount. If you think otherwise, that's not rational.
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@dafyre said:
Ha ha ha.... Like I said... I figured you for an Enterprise guy. 8-)
Used to be. I've done everything from two person businesses up to the Fortune 10.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I'm sorry but 20k per day is not normal, either for an SMB or for an enterprise. Claiming Google Apps is just a hobby/ home user system on the grounds that it struggles to process over 7 million e-mails per year for a single account is unfair.
It's decently normal in IT once you are supporting infrastructure. System alerts are commonly sent by email.
It might sound unfair to ask Google to process 7m emails a year. But is it unfair to ask it to do what Office 365, Internal Exchange, Rackspace email or any business class email does with ease? It sounds like a big number, but in the business world, it is trivial. If you can't process that much, you have no business claiming to be in business.
Now SHOULD people get that much? I have no idea. But I have at company after company for a decade. It's not super common, but it is not uncommon once you get away from a certain category of company. Once you support large scale systems, it is very common.
And consider that there are companies SENDING me this email (from the outside!!!) every day without even noticing.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Ditto this. 20K emails/day is an insane amount. If you think otherwise, that's not rational.
That's a bold statement. How much Fortune 1000 email filtering experience do you have to base your ideas of rational on? How many infrastructure positions, development support positions have you had where you had to receive email from deployment and monitoring systems?
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I delete almost nothing, and I don't think I have much over 20K emails after having my main Gmail account for 8 years!
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Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
I delete almost nothing, and I don't think I have much over 20K emails after having my main Gmail account for 8 years!
And you have never worked in an infrastructure role. So this isn't really relevant experience. My kids don't get much email either. But they aren't infrastructure engineers either.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
Then you should have setup filters long ago.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
Then you should have setup filters long ago.
The email started this week, for the most part. Can't filter what you don't know about. Nice to make excuses, but the reality is is that Gmail can't handle what I've gotten down to 14K emails in my inbox. It chokes trying to run filters.
Honestly, it sounds like you'll say anything, including calling people irrational, to defend Google having a poor email system.
Even with filters, I can't clean it up. It is only by archiving everything that I can make it remotely functional. I don't want monitoring data archived, I want it categorized and kept out of my inbox. In case of an outage I need to comb through it. But only at that time. When I'm on my desktop. Gmail keeps me from having the access that I need on my desktop and/or on my phone because the phone can't handle the volume.
If I were you I'd say something like "If you don't agree, your irrational."
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
Then you should have setup filters long ago.
The email started this week, for the most part. Can't filter what you don't know about. Nice to make excuses, but the reality is is that Gmail can't handle what I've gotten down to 14K emails in my inbox. It chokes trying to run filters.
Honestly, it sounds like you'll say anything, including calling people irrational, to defend Google having a poor email system.
Even with filters, I can't clean it up. It is only by archiving everything that I can make it remotely functional.
If I were you I'd say something like "If you don't agree, your irrational."
Well you never mentioned all this started this week. Even so, if you've got 60K+ in emails, that's a lot to filter through. Also, archiving in Google's terms is different than normal terms, which we've established. So what's the problem?
Oh, and *you're.
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Even if I was not getting this volume, if I was getting the kind of volume that @Minion-Queen gets, it would be a problem. You need filters that actually do something to make your Inbox useful. Gmail, even with filters, does nothing, it just dumps everything you filtered out in the Inbox. So saying you "should have had filters" is mean, since I did, and it didn't help. You are belittling the problem by acting like there is a solution that is good, but so far, no one has even proposed one. It's like you are mocking me for having to get email.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Even if I was not getting this volume, if I was getting the kind of volume that @Minion-Queen gets, it would be a problem. You need filters that actually do something to make your Inbox useful. Gmail, even with filters, does nothing, it just dumps everything you filtered out in the Inbox. So saying you "should have had filters" is mean, since I did, and it didn't help. You are belittling the problem by acting like there is a solution that is good, but so far, no one has even proposed one. It's like you are mocking me for having to get email.
No, filters in Gmail apply a label. The archving that isn't really archiving but just moving to another folder is what makes it much smoother. You can argue all you want that Gmail doesn't use the term right or that it shouldn't be that way, but if it makes it work and you know what it takes, isn't it more nonsensical to keep fighting it because of semantics?
