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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said:

      So where is the brain drain coming from?

      Or better yet, why aren't people being trained better?

      Profit margins

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said:

        So where is the brain drain coming from?

        Or better yet, why aren't people being trained better?

        Americans are not cultural inclined to like doing IT. It's not "cool" to do IT at the ages necessary to be good at it. It's not really much of a drain, it is simply that IT requires smart people with certain aptitudes and the market (the physical human production market) doesn't make good IT candidates at the rate necessary to keep up with the needs of the rest of the population for IT support. We've made a world too complex for itself and only a small group is really well equipped to live in it. As complexity increases, those ready to deal with it decrease as a percentage.

        Add to that the Mythical Man Month effect of throwing more people at it rather than limiting ourselves to only hiring good people and the problem gets worse, not better, as the IT pool size increases - the more we hire the more we need to hire because so many IT people are getting in the way.

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        • gjacobseG
          gjacobse @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          @Dashrender said:

          Wow.. they must have just really wanted you to be willing to accept you for $45k at 4 days a week instead of another guy they could have hired at the same pay for 5.

          But they couldn't get someone at my level for that pay for five. They got more skills for less time. There was little value to them having me sit around for a fifth day compared to getting stuff done that other people could not do in four. I was actually an amazing value for them.

          In some cases while you had a shorter week, I am sure that you got more done, so their value was still up there.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @gjacobse
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            @g.jacobse said:

            In some cases while you had a shorter week, I am sure that you got more done, so their value was still up there.

            I got a lot done and supported a lot of technologies without needing multiple people. That was a significant source of value. I was not doing any one job full time but doing at least three completely unrelated IT jobs at once

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            • thanksajdotcomT
              thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              @g.jacobse said:

              In some cases while you had a shorter week, I am sure that you got more done, so their value was still up there.

              I got a lot done and supported a lot of technologies without needing multiple people. That was a significant source of value. I was not doing any one job full time but doing at least three completely unrelated IT jobs at once

              This is one reason Staples loves me. I can do it all, minus keyholder tasks, and do it well. I can teach/train others, sell, do tech work, do onsites, provide top-notch customer service, and I know operational stuff better than any associate-level person. I bring a ton of value to the store.

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              • C
                Carnival Boy @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:
                [They] actually cried when they had to let me go

                None of my previous employers have ever cried when I left 😞

                Maybe it was just their British reserve preventing it....

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @Carnival Boy
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                  @Carnival-Boy said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:
                  [They] actually cried when they had to let me go

                  None of my previous employers have ever cried when I left 😞

                  Maybe it was just their British reserve preventing it....

                  Oddly... mine did... I've kept in contact with one of them and they wish I would come back and work for them...

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                  • ?
                    A Former User @coliver
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                    @coliver said:

                    @Carnival-Boy said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:
                    [They] actually cried when they had to let me go

                    None of my previous employers have ever cried when I left 😞

                    Maybe it was just their British reserve preventing it....

                    Oddly... mine did... I've kept in contact with one of them and they wish I would come back and work for them...

                    Same here. The first place I worked at still wants me back but they can't afford to pay for me anymore.

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                    • B
                      BMarie
                      last edited by

                      Resume and Cover Letter set and ready to go.....just have to click print.

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                      • Minion QueenM
                        Minion Queen Banned
                        last edited by

                        Go for it! Good Luck!

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                        • gjacobseG
                          gjacobse @Minion Queen
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                          @Minion-Queen said:

                          Go for it! Good Luck!

                          Ditto.. You can only start a journey by making a choice to put one foot in front of the other. If you never move, you never get to experience new adventures. I applied to a university 78 times only to be turned down 78 times... It's not all about the Nothing ventured, nothing gained. It's about what you learn in the process.

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                          • B
                            BMarie
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                            Well I did it, my resume is in the HR box. Now I wait. And prepare and get a home lab. Plus get some refreshers.

                            Wish me luck.......

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                            • ?
                              A Former User
                              last edited by

                              Good Luck!

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                Good luck!

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