Ipad guru for Site connectivity issue
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@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@DustinB3403 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
Most iPad aren't roaming between, they just lose connection completely then come back from what I understand.
With this, I wouldn't jump to thinking that the iPads are the issue - I want to, but I would suspect the wireless is getting dropped.
Have you check the APs for uptime etc?
Yes, Last night while they were having issues and I was looking at the Unifi Portal and uptime was 9+ hours on all APs . And I saw that wifi Experience was dropping on all APs randomly.
Not trying to throw a wrench into this because you guys may be correct, but at my last job we had issues with apple devices roaming correctly. It ended up being an issue with the device judging the signal strength correctly and the AP's were slightly too close together. We unplugged the closest AP to the one in use and it ended up working flawlessly after that. Just something to think about. Too much overlap can cause weirdness.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@DustinB3403 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
Most iPad aren't roaming between, they just lose connection completely then come back from what I understand.
With this, I wouldn't jump to thinking that the iPads are the issue - I want to, but I would suspect the wireless is getting dropped.
Have you check the APs for uptime etc?
Yes, Last night while they were having issues and I was looking at the Unifi Portal and uptime was 9+ hours on all APs . And I saw that wifi Experience was dropping on all APs randomly.
Not trying to throw a wrench into this because you guys may be correct, but at my last job we had issues with apple devices roaming correctly. It ended up being an issue with the device judging the signal strength correctly and the AP's were slightly too close together. We unplugged the closest AP to the one in use and it ended up working flawlessly after that. Just something to think about. Too much overlap can cause weirdness
Yeah the fix to that would be to enable fast roaming and allow the controller/devices to manage their power automatically so they don't overlap.
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@DustinB3403 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@wirestyle22 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@DustinB3403 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
Most iPad aren't roaming between, they just lose connection completely then come back from what I understand.
With this, I wouldn't jump to thinking that the iPads are the issue - I want to, but I would suspect the wireless is getting dropped.
Have you check the APs for uptime etc?
Yes, Last night while they were having issues and I was looking at the Unifi Portal and uptime was 9+ hours on all APs . And I saw that wifi Experience was dropping on all APs randomly.
Not trying to throw a wrench into this because you guys may be correct, but at my last job we had issues with apple devices roaming correctly. It ended up being an issue with the device judging the signal strength correctly and the AP's were slightly too close together. We unplugged the closest AP to the one in use and it ended up working flawlessly after that. Just something to think about. Too much overlap can cause weirdness
Yeah the fix to that would be to enable fast roaming and allow the controller/devices to manage their power automatically so they don't overlap.
We tried a lot of solutions and none of them worked. Unplugging one of the AP's didn't really reduce quality so it was a redundant AP in my case.
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Thanks for the input, I'll get a hold of their Network people and see what they think.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@DustinB3403 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@WrCombs said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
Most iPad aren't roaming between, they just lose connection completely then come back from what I understand.
With this, I wouldn't jump to thinking that the iPads are the issue - I want to, but I would suspect the wireless is getting dropped.
Have you check the APs for uptime etc?
Yes, Last night while they were having issues and I was looking at the Unifi Portal and uptime was 9+ hours on all APs . And I saw that wifi Experience was dropping on all APs randomly.
Not trying to throw a wrench into this because you guys may be correct, but at my last job we had issues with apple devices roaming correctly. It ended up being an issue with the device judging the signal strength correctly and the AP's were slightly too close together. We unplugged the closest AP to the one in use and it ended up working flawlessly after that. Just something to think about.
yeah over aggressive roaming can definitely cause issues. you might have way more APs than you really need. You might need to dial the AP signal strength down so they don't overlap as much with each other.
I used to use Ekahau Heat Map on Windows to get site maps Wifi coverage. Looks like they no longer have the free version on their website. I still have the installer if you want it.
You install the software, upload a map of the building layout, then walk around the building and click where you are standing.. when you're down it will will show you the overlapping heat map of your wifi.
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ipad's do silly/crazy things with fast roaming turned on and with overlapping coverage. As others have suggested a simple fix may be to turn one AP off and see if things improve. You could also reduce your channel width on 5GHz (If you're using 40MHz wide channels, try going to 20MHz wide) to reduce co channel and adjacent channel interference.
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iPads and iPhones are headaches to keep working reliably on wifi. For whatever reason, Apple devices just do not roam well no matter what settings you change on the device.
The good news is there is a relatively simple fix, turn down the signal strength on any access point that has overlapping signal. It doesn't have to be much, but it means that Apple devices won't try to hold on at all costs to an iffy AP signal.
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For reference here's Apple's doc on roaming:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203068 -
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
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@scottalanmiller I understand what you are saying, but if the device was not directly related you'd see it across other networked devices and you don't even remotely as much (in my experience).
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@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
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@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
Also it's only being used for transactions from the sound of it so likely not a lot of traffic
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Funny just looked looked at our controller and everything that's low "experience" i.e. lower than 70% are iphones :D,
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@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
Keep in mind that there are probably gobs of patrons using a guest network on those same APs. It really could be an issue of to many devices using a single AP if they are busy.
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@travisdh1 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
Keep in mind that there are probably gobs of patrons using a guest network on those same APs. It really could be an issue of to many devices using a single AP if they are busy.
I was just about to write this
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What I do is I have two internet connections. 1 is the primary with the private wifi and the other is a secondary backup connection should the primary fail. The guest wifi uses the secondary. It's probably not the way this is set up.
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@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
It is in the OP that I have 18 Ipads
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@travisdh1 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
Keep in mind that there are probably gobs of patrons using a guest network on those same APs. It really could be an issue of to many devices using a single AP if they are busy.
I thought that too, but there is not a guest wifi. There are 2 different wifi's though - MGR and POS.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@travisdh1 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
Keep in mind that there are probably gobs of patrons using a guest network on those same APs. It really could be an issue of to many devices using a single AP if they are busy.
I was just about to write this
Ditto.... It's all well and good having separate SSID's and networks behind the AP to isolate traffic, but the radios in the HW might just be getting thrashed if it's busy and patrons are monopolizing the infrastructure. Keep in mind that for a restauant setting each patron is likely to have at least 1 device connecting to wifi, perhaps more if someone is working on a laptop and having a bite at the same time.
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@notverypunny said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@wirestyle22 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@travisdh1 said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@Dashrender said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
@scottalanmiller said in Ipad guru/ Site connectivity issue:
If the issue is from a volume of devices, it's not the devices that are the issue. This isn't related to them using iPads, other than they are using lots of devices on wifi all at once. It's not an iPad issue, but a wifi/network issue.
Too much power, overlapping APs, too many APs, all kinds of things can cause issues. Or too few, bad signal, etc.
I thought I read he had 18 iPads, but I don't see that here anymore... that doesn't seem like to many, even for a single AP...
Keep in mind that there are probably gobs of patrons using a guest network on those same APs. It really could be an issue of to many devices using a single AP if they are busy.
I was just about to write this
Ditto.... It's all well and good having separate SSID's and networks behind the AP to isolate traffic, but the radios in the HW might just be getting thrashed if it's busy and patrons are monopolizing the infrastructure. Keep in mind that for a restauant setting each patron is likely to have at least 1 device connecting to wifi, perhaps more if someone is working on a laptop and having a bite at the same time.
Exactly. Just lots of connected devices can make things a mess. Or just lots of noise from unconnected devices.
