Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect
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@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
Found a pretty major short coming. So far I can't get MC agents to install on older Windows. I have SC on systems going back to XP (but can't install on 2000). But so far, MC won't install on 2000, XP, 2003, 2003 R2 at all. And on 2008 it installs but does not appear to connect.
For something this new, supporting outdated OS makes no sense.
It might not make sense specifically because it is so new. Supporting that old stuff requires using older technology that might make supporting new stuff much harder (which means it might never happen.) Supporting stuff so old that it's not viable for production use is generally extremely costly and what kind of customers do you really lose by not supporting their pasts?
Compare that to risking not getting a product out the door at all, or having it not be nearly as powerful or easy to support for the future.
Investing today in the past (technical debt) is risky, because it takes time. This product is just in beta today. So Windows XP, years out of support now, will be even further out of support when this product goes production, and will quickly get further and further into the land of ridiculous. I think it is a good gamble most likely. You have to think about the lifetime of the product. By the time it is getting traction, XP will be that much older.
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@Dashrender said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
Found a pretty major short coming. So far I can't get MC agents to install on older Windows. I have SC on systems going back to XP (but can't install on 2000). But so far, MC won't install on 2000, XP, 2003, 2003 R2 at all. And on 2008 it installs but does not appear to connect.
For something this new, supporting outdated OS makes no sense.
While I understand that - unless adding that support is really taxing, not having it for a support tool seems like leaving something pretty big out of the tool.
Seems like it, but I don't think it is in a business context. Not supporting LONG dead products ... do "businesses" still run out of date stuff? Sure. Do serious businesses that are going to consider new open source products or are their target audience? Not likely.
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Except this product is not truly knew it’s been around since like 2009. It’s only version to that is currently new and in beta. So my question is does the old version support those operating systems?
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After creating the site admin, from now on :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ,anyone who create an account are normal users? Anyway of preventing creating new accounts?
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@JaredBusch said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
Except this product is not truly knew it’s been around since like 2009. It’s only version to that is currently new and in beta. So my question is does the old version support those operating systems?
True. But I get the impression that MC2 is a full rebuild, on new tech. Maybe that's wrong, but it seemed like a reboot.
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@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
After creating the site admin, from now on :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ,anyone who create an account are normal users? Anyway of preventing creating new accounts?
I was wondering that, too. They don't get any permissions, but it seems like they can still make accounts. I've not found any way to remove that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@JaredBusch said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
Except this product is not truly knew it’s been around since like 2009. It’s only version to that is currently new and in beta. So my question is does the old version support those operating systems?
True. But I get the impression that MC2 is a full rebuild, on new tech. Maybe that's wrong, but it seemed like a reboot.
I don’t think I would call it a reboot. I would call it a rebuild for sure. But the reason I asked that is if the old version never supported those I would never expect the new version to do so.
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@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
After creating the site admin, from now on :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ,anyone who create an account are normal users? Anyway of preventing creating new accounts?
I was wondering that, too. They don't get any permissions, but it seems like they can still make accounts. I've not found any way to remove that.
I guess for now, I could use Nginx with password authentication and put that in front of meshcentral.
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@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
After creating the site admin, from now on :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ,anyone who create an account are normal users? Anyway of preventing creating new accounts?
I was wondering that, too. They don't get any permissions, but it seems like they can still make accounts. I've not found any way to remove that.
I guess for now, I could use Nginx with password authentication and put that in front of meshcentral.
The hard part with all of this is the fact that there’s no valid document Tatian that we can read because their server is never on the line every time I try to go to the document link.
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@JaredBusch said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@black3dynamite said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
After creating the site admin, from now on :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ,anyone who create an account are normal users? Anyway of preventing creating new accounts?
I was wondering that, too. They don't get any permissions, but it seems like they can still make accounts. I've not found any way to remove that.
I guess for now, I could use Nginx with password authentication and put that in front of meshcentral.
The hard part with all of this is the fact that there’s no valid document Tatian that we can read because their server is never on the line every time I try to go to the document link.
Yeah, that's a pretty huge pain.
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Looks like it was a total rewrite in NodeJS
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@Dashrender hard to say if they also rewrote the agents or not.
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@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@Dashrender hard to say if they also rewrote the agents or not.
True - but if the agents are from 2009, We have to assume that XP was supported, Windows 7 was only just released.
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Are you guys installing w MongoDB or the default option?
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@FATeknollogee said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
Are you guys installing w MongoDB or the default option?
Just the default. Remember, the documents were offline, so none of those options were even known to us.
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@FATeknollogee Default option for now as I'm just in PoC, fighting with the agents, I can't seem to make heads or tails of why some installs work and others don't apart from it being something with our standard deployment
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@notverypunny said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@FATeknollogee Default option for now as I'm just in PoC, fighting with the agents, I can't seem to make heads or tails of why some installs work and others don't apart from it being something with our standard deployment
All the same OSes?
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@scottalanmiller Right now just W7 pro. I managed to get it to work on a clean vm that I spun up yesterday based on our deployment image. It wouldn't play nice at all on my W7 test laptop but it's had so much garbage installed, removed and tested on it since the last time I reformatted it that I figured a reformat was in order.... now fog doesn't want to push my snapins properly :confounded_face:
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@scottalanmiller said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
@FATeknollogee said in Comparing MeshCentral 2 to ScreenConnect:
Are you guys installing w MongoDB or the default option?
Just the default. Remember, the documents were offline, so none of those options were even known to us.
Makes sense.
I'm going to try the Mongo option.
