Testing oVirt...
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@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
Either way, at the end of the day, RAID controllers are like cars...
People go with what they're comfortable with....you can argue (aka debate) the merits of one vs. the other.
Me, I could go either way.They shouldn't be treated that way. Each has a place and each should be used where appropriate. Not much in IT should come down to opinion, it should be "appropriate addressing of the business case."
You are right, it shouldn't but I live in the real world & that's just how it goes.
You aren't going to save the planet :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:No, but I can save a lot of IT pros.
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@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
Either way, at the end of the day, RAID controllers are like cars...
People go with what they're comfortable with....you can argue (aka debate) the merits of one vs. the other.
Me, I could go either way.They shouldn't be treated that way. Each has a place and each should be used where appropriate. Not much in IT should come down to opinion, it should be "appropriate addressing of the business case."
You are right, it shouldn't but I live in the real world & that's just how it goes.
You aren't going to save the planet :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:No, but I can save a lot of businesses from "IT pros".
FTFY.
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@coliver said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
Either way, at the end of the day, RAID controllers are like cars...
People go with what they're comfortable with....you can argue (aka debate) the merits of one vs. the other.
Me, I could go either way.They shouldn't be treated that way. Each has a place and each should be used where appropriate. Not much in IT should come down to opinion, it should be "appropriate addressing of the business case."
You are right, it shouldn't but I live in the real world & that's just how it goes.
You aren't going to save the planet :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:No, but I can save a lot of businesses from "IT pros".
FTFY.
Hahahahah
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Starting to test some backups of vm's on oVirt & standalone KVM:
oVirt VMs:
Standalone KVM VMs:
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@fateknollogee Free for standalone KVM hosts, this seems interesting. Please share your testing results =).
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@romo we've got several places where we might want to use that, and more soon.
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@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@romo we've got several places where we might want to use that, and more soon.
Why? Agentless VM Level backups are useless. You've said that often enough.
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@romo said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee Free for standalone KVM hosts, this seems interesting. Please share your testing results =).
What is a stand alone KVM host? I'm not seeing it
https://storware.gitbook.io/storware-vprotect -
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@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
@romo said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee Free for standalone KVM hosts, this seems interesting. Please share your testing results =).
What is a stand alone KVM host? I'm not seeing it
https://storware.gitbook.io/storware-vprotectStandalone meaning your "normal" Virt-manager style KVM install.
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@romo said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee Free for standalone KVM hosts, this seems interesting. Please share your testing results =).
I'll update you tomorrow after I test some restores.
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@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
Why? Agentless VM Level backups are useless. You've said that often enough.
If you don't like "Agentless" this product is not for you....(not you @JaredBusch )
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@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
@romo said in Testing oVirt...:
@fateknollogee Free for standalone KVM hosts, this seems interesting. Please share your testing results =).
What is a stand alone KVM host? I'm not seeing it
https://storware.gitbook.io/storware-vprotectStandalone meaning your "normal" Virt-manager style KVM install.
Seems like anything not clustered.
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@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@romo we've got several places where we might want to use that, and more soon.
Why? Agentless VM Level backups are useless. You've said that often enough.
Non-ideal isn't the same as useless. This is why these discussions are difficult. Why does something not being "the best for most cases" turn into "useless" as what people hear?
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@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@romo we've got several places where we might want to use that, and more soon.
Why? Agentless VM Level backups are useless. You've said that often enough.
May I upvote this 100 times...
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@fateknollogee said in Testing oVirt...:
@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
Why? Agentless VM Level backups are useless. You've said that often enough.
If you don't like "Agentless" this product is not for you....(not you @JaredBusch )
Jared likes Agentless. I tend to not like them, it's non-portable. And that specific thing hits us already with our current backups at some clients. So to address limitations of their existing agentless system, and their mix of hypervisors, kludges like this are necessary. Or a move off of their current agentless infrastructure that they paid a lot for.
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@romo unfortunately the free one has not CBT
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@matteo-nunziati said in Testing oVirt...:
@jaredbusch said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:
@romo we've got several places where we might want to use that, and more soon.
Why? Agentless VM Level backups are useless. You've said that often enough.
May I upvote this 100 times...
Stop acting like I've ever said this. I said agent based is often better, and in the example here I just demonstrated why agentless caused a need for two backup systems instead of one. Please don't encouraging repeating things that people don't say, because some people actually start to believe that that has been said, they are that gullible.
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@scottalanmiller hey it was a smiling face. It was intended as a joke!
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@matteo-nunziati said in Testing oVirt...:
@scottalanmiller hey it was a smiling face. It was intended as a joke!
I get it, but people start to repeat that stuff quickly and truly start to believe that there is a group who thinks that things are black and white and certain things that should be grey areas are actually black and white. Like instead of "agentless is rarely the best option" people start to believe "agent based is the only option." Or at least believe that a group of people claim such. It's happened a lot. RAID is a good example.
