Best practice partition & LVM for KVM
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
Even Nutanix (I think) also runs CentOS:
https://www.nutanix.com/partners/technology-alliance-program/centos/What do you mean "even"? I wouldn't touch Nutanix with a ten foot pole.
You sir, are certainly entitled to your opinion...A lot of folks (aka Nutanix customers) in the market would certainly disagree with you!!
How would you know since they are barred legally from disclosing problems? Nutanix uses unethical means to silence complaints and comparisons of their devices. So the only people reporting about them are either filtered or haven't compared against others and don't have any idea if they are good.
Remember, that "lots of people like something" is zero indication of its value. If they didn't compare cost, performance, or reliability against other options, their opinions have no meaning, none.
Loads of people like inverted pyramids, RAID 5, no backups and other insane things. Obviously that lots of people like something doesn't mean anything, most people aren't very smart. In fact, if most people do something, it's an indicator that it is probably promoted by marketing, not value. I actually made a video about this just in the last two days!
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
A lot of folks (aka Nutanix customers) in the market would certainly disagree with you!!
Remember that customers specifically are in a position where telling that Nutanix is bad is financially not in their interest. The last thing most people want to do is admit that a giant financial decision that they made was wrong or that they got scammed because they didn't do their research. It's why asking customers about things rarely tells you anything useful. Once people buy a product, especially big ones like this, they now have a shared benefit from promoting it to make their own old decisions look good.
We see this every day on SW of people talking about how much they like something, both product and decisions, that are obviously bad and get torn apart and they have no defense of them. They like them because they were told to like them or it is in their interest to like them, not because they like them in a way useful to anyone else or that the idea or product was any good.
That misunderstanding of how to evaluate things that have already been purchased is where this article came from...
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@scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" @scale ?
If Nutanix offered you the same deal you got from Scale, would you turn it down? -
Another nice thing about using Fedora instead of CentOS is the updated VM guest tools. For example, I don't have to rely on Microsoft to release newer Linux Integration Services for CentOS.
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btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" @scale ?
If Nutanix offered you the same deal you got from Scale, would you turn it down?One, how is what different? Scale doesn't shut down reviews and silence people.
Two, Nutanix has offered me trips and stuff that Scale has never offered. Nutanix has made a real effort to have me not keep mentioning how they shut down negative information about their products.
So, I'm confused what you are saying. It's different in every conceivable way. One I promote because I believe in it and promoted before I ever knew the people involved. The other is unethical and should never be even considered for use in a business and has legal reasons why.
What makes you associate the two?
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" scale ?
And DRBD, and Starwind, and Hyper-V, and HPE Simplivity....
Notice a trend? I promote all kinds of good, and competing products, and point out one that specifically is a problem in that field. One that is well known to be less performant, higher cost, under financial strain, and hides its problems by silencing critics.
I hope that that clarifies just how different these things are.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" scale ?
And DRBD, and Starwind, and Hyper-V, and HPE Simplivity....
Notice a trend? I promote all kinds of good, and competing products, and point out one that specifically is a problem in that field. One that is well known to be less performant, higher cost, under financial strain, and hides its problems by silencing critics.
I hope that that clarifies just how different these things are.
Was just asking a question!
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.
Appliances have o/s's?
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.
Appliances have o/s's?
Of course they do, but as an appliance, it is not something you ever touch more than to perform a "firmware upgrade" or "software upgrade" from within the appliances GUI.
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.
Appliances have o/s's?
But they are black boxes, what the OS is isn't of concern to the end user, nor is it normally exposed. To do so tends to break the appliance nature of it. Nutanix is an appliance, but also not an appliance, so it is more of a pre-built non-appliance, whereas Scale has no non-appliance nature and is totally an appliance both as hardware and as concept.
I'm sure they would list somewhere what they are using, but as it is custom kernel, storage layer, KVM, and filesystem, it's not all that meaningful because it is very little like whatever starting point they use.
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" scale ?
And DRBD, and Starwind, and Hyper-V, and HPE Simplivity....
Notice a trend? I promote all kinds of good, and competing products, and point out one that specifically is a problem in that field. One that is well known to be less performant, higher cost, under financial strain, and hides its problems by silencing critics.
I hope that that clarifies just how different these things are.
Was just asking a question!
I was just answering
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@jaredbusch said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.
Appliances have o/s's?
Of course they do, but as an appliance, it is not something you ever touch more than to perform a "firmware upgrade" or "software upgrade" from within the appliances GUI.
This came up since (a few threads before) we were talking about oVirt using CentOS instead of Fedora.
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@jaredbusch said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.
Appliances have o/s's?
Of course they do, but as an appliance, it is not something you ever touch more than to perform a "firmware upgrade" or "software upgrade" from within the appliances GUI.
This came up since (a few threads before) we were talking about oVirt using CentOS instead of Fedora.
Understood, but the two are extremely different scenarios. He's trying to explain why. If the question was about Starwind's console on KVM, that would be applicable as a direct comparison because both are non-appliances.
Scale's console runs on the latest version of ScaleOS (I made that up.) But their OS is their own, it might be based on something else (I'm certain it is, would be silly not to be) but it isn't part of a larger ecosystem, it's the very latest of its technology.
oVirt is very different.
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Appliances are weird animals. With CentOS and Fedora, they are basically the same thing. One is just the current version of the other. Not exactly, but basically.
With appliances, the latest version is... the latest version. Appliances don't have alternate versions in the same way.
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Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.
What are you waiting for...go get it done! (btw, what happened to the emoji button?)
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@fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:
Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.
(btw, what happened to the emoji button?)
Emoji died a while ago. Eventually I removed the button since it wasn't working.
