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Things that I see wrong...
- You think that things on forums are not public postings like billboards. They are, period.
- You think that things that are said in situ in conversations that have been quoted are original content, they are not.
- You think that the US is covered by foreign laws, it is not.
- You think that account deletion is directly related to content deletion, there is no such association.
You are putting several misconceptions about the world together into one big mess of confusion. All of these are completely wrong. And you require all of them for your basis of argument here.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
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If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
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If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
As there is no Right to be Forgotten, why do you think this?
In the US there is no right to be forgotten. In the EU there is, which means you'd (mangolassi.it) would very likely be expected to comply with these types of ruling.
IF we were in the EU, sure. But this is still a community discussion and not likely subject to those laws. And still, this isn't related to what we were discussing. Which is the false association between deleting your control of content with the deletion of that content.
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If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
Does this forum allow users from Spain? Or any country from which a person might be covered under the "right to be forgotten"?
If so, yes you are required to be compliant with those countries laws, otherwise disallow users from those countries to post.
Where users ARE isn't related to the conversation. So again, why bring it up?
No, if yes we are NOT covered by laws of their country. In no way, whatsoever, is that how the law works.
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If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
Does this forum allow users from Spain? Or any country from which a person might be covered under the "right to be forgotten"?
If so, yes you are required to be compliant with those countries laws, otherwise disallow users from those countries to post.
Where users ARE isn't related to the conversation. So again, why bring it up?
No, if yes we are NOT covered by laws of their country. In no way, whatsoever, is that how the law works.
Tell google that. . .
Google is in Spain, and again, nothing like anything we are discussing. That you keep bringing up unrelated topics tells me that you very confused. How do you think Google relates here?
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So an EU company is covered by EU laws, and a US company is covered by US laws. That Google is covered by the laws of their jurisdiction supports my point, not yours. Yours is that all laws in the universe have no jurisdiction and apply globally. What if Canada had a law that said that was a "right to be remembered." We have Canadians here. How would directly conflicting laws (which already happens between the EU and US) be handled? You are saying not only that laws of any random jurisdiction should apply, but that foreign ones should trump the domestic ones.
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@dustinb3403 just as good as my suggestion!
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If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
Does this forum allow users from Spain? Or any country from which a person might be covered under the "right to be forgotten"?
If so, yes you are required to be compliant with those countries laws, otherwise disallow users from those countries to post.
Where users ARE isn't related to the conversation. So again, why bring it up?
No, if yes we are NOT covered by laws of their country. In no way, whatsoever, is that how the law works.
Tell google that. . .
Google is in Spain, and again, nothing like anything we are discussing. That you keep bringing up unrelated topics tells me that you very confused. How do you think Google relates here?
So mangolassi.it isn't accessible in Spain?
Again, you make this statement as if it is somehow related to something said. Of course it is accessible in Spain, and OBVIOUSLY that has no bearing on the situation.
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Tell google that. . .
So mangolassi.it isn't accessible in Spain?
If it is, then you can be forced to comply with the laws of that country. Period.
I don't think it works that way.....
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these are two statements for GDPR Policy:
"Anyone who collects and processes personal data (defined by the GDPR as a Data Controller) will be required to comply with the new regulations to a certain degree. As well as organisations who run websites or apps, this also includes any organisations who use internal databases, CRMs or even just plain old email."
"The short answer is that if your company does any form of trade with customers within the EU, then GDPR rules will apply to you if you store, process or share EU citizens’ personal data."
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If it is, then you can be forced to comply with the laws of that country. Period. The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
No, this is, again, where you have no basis. It does not make this happen.
Just like deleting an account doesn't make things published by that account disappear.
You state one false thing, then state something totally unconnected as a result of said false thing. You need to CONNECT the things that you say.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
So, by that logic, as this can be reached in North Korea, if you've ever said anything against their regime, you feel that you should be arrested, sent to North Korea to be slave labour? Because that's what you just said.
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@stuartjordan said in SW rant time:
these are two statements for GDPR Policy:
"Anyone who collects and processes personal data (defined by the GDPR as a Data Controller) will be required to comply with the new regulations to a certain degree. As well as organisations who run websites or apps, this also includes any organisations who use internal databases, CRMs or even just plain old email."
"The short answer is that if your company does any form of trade with customers within the EU, then GDPR rules will apply to you if you store, process or share EU citizens’ personal data."
Right, like Google does. Google does business in the EU and is therefore covered by EU laws. We knew that all along.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
That would be, if this site opperated in multiple countries. As it does not, I'm unclear why you are even discussing this.
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The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
So, by that logic, as this can be reached in North Korea, if you've ever said anything against their regime, you feel that you should be arrested, sent to North Korea to be slave labour? Because that's what you just said.
There is a very clear difference between being arrested and sent to a foreign nation than there is with deleting a billboard.
Is there? They are based on the exact same logic. Where is the difference? Both are using the very statement that you made as their basis - that the laws of EVERY country that can SEE the website MUST be followed regardless of the local laws.
Ergo, you said it, not me. I just pointed out how silly it was.
