IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology
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Ars Technica reports on a new IBM and Sony developed tape cartridge technology that they have demonstrated with a 200Gb/inch density allowing them to deliver a potential 330TB in a single tape! Nowhere close to being on the market, this technology gives lots of hope to the future of tape backups!
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@mlnews Aren't you a bit late on this today?
Yeah, we haven't even reached commercial availability of what they were experimenting with in 2010 yet. Tape and HDD keep pressing on, continuing to remain relevant long into the future.
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That's insane 330TB to a single tape. . .
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Using tape is what's insane... How many months would it take to restore even half that much data from tape?
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
Using tape is what's insane... How many months would it take to restore even half that much data from tape?
Tape's are surprisingly quick, the issue comes with it's not easy to have them offsite. (especially at this scale)
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I could use any of those technologies to backup the entire company and store them offsite. One tape for a full backup of everything. Rotate this for a daily or weekly backup and my 3-2-1 would be complete.
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
Using tape is what's insane... How many months would it take to restore even half that much data from tape?
They are the disaster recovery media though, this is in the event that your first and second backup don't work out you would get the tape out. Plus at the Price per Terabyte tape is the least expensive option.
Amazon Glacier uses tape from what I recall. So that's kind of cool.
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
Using tape is what's insane... How many months would it take to restore even half that much data from tape?
How long would it take to restore from large SATA disks? Tape is faster than many RAID arrays. And the higher the density, the faster that they get.
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
Using tape is what's insane... How many months would it take to restore even half that much data from tape?
You need to update yourself on modern tape bud. This isn't the days of DLT and LTO-2. You can read and write to tape very fast today as @scottalanmiller said, it often writes faster than the HDD array can read.
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LTO-6 does 160MB/s and LTO-7 does 300MB/s. That's 2.4Gb/s! And that is a single tape, they can be parallelized just like disks.
LTO-8 is going to be 427MB/s and is due soon. And that's a small leap, the speeds for LTO-9 are just crazy.
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My last experience with tapes was the utterly useless LTO 4 or 5. Took days to back up, then restores didn't work at all. And 3/5 backup jobs failed, usually some sort of tape error. I've never had success with tape and I'm pretty sure my company would not invest any more $$$ is tape systems, even "modern" ones.
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
My last experience with tapes was the utterly useless LTO 4 or 5. Took days to back up, then restores didn't work at all. And 3/5 backup jobs failed, usually some sort of tape error. I've never had success with tape and I'm pretty sure my company would not invest any more $$$ is tape systems, even "modern" ones.
Were you using using backupexec by chance?
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
My last experience with tapes was the utterly useless LTO 4 or 5. Took days to back up, then restores didn't work at all. And 3/5 backup jobs failed, usually some sort of tape error. I've never had success with tape and I'm pretty sure my company would not invest any more $$$ is tape systems, even "modern" ones.
When I was using them in the mid 90s to early 00s, they were slow, but would restore reliably. You had to take care of the drives correctly, but we never had a problem with the drives..... Backup Exec, now that's a whole different story!
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@coliver Yes, and the owner was loath to buy something else after dumping a bunch of money into BE, so that was likely the culprit. But now we have 3x big, fast DAS boxes with tons of storage for backups. No DR plan, but lots of fast storage now.
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@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
@coliver Yes, and the owner was loath to buy something else after dumping a bunch of money into BE, so that was likely the culprit. But now we have 3x big, fast DAS boxes with tons of storage for backups. No DR plan, but lots of fast storage now.
Yep... anytime I hear about someone having issues with backup it generally means they were using Backupexec.... It was notorious when I was starting out (granted not that long ago) for mangling tapes.
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This reminds me of the solid state drive announcement what must be 15 years ago now..
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@dashrender said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
This reminds me of the solid state drive announcement what must be 15 years ago now..
I was still in high school when that was announced for "consumer" usage. Actually may have been 8th grade or freshman year.
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@coliver said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
@dashrender said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
This reminds me of the solid state drive announcement what must be 15 years ago now..
I was still in high school when that was announced for "consumer" usage. Actually may have been 8th grade or freshman year.
eh? you were in high school when consumer used SSD were announced? UH.. ok perhaps my old man brain is off - it could have been more like 1998 when ( I think it was IBM) announced an all solid state drive in the lab. It was a pretty amazing thing to consider back then.. now days - meh
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@coliver said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
@rojoloco said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
@coliver Yes, and the owner was loath to buy something else after dumping a bunch of money into BE, so that was likely the culprit. But now we have 3x big, fast DAS boxes with tons of storage for backups. No DR plan, but lots of fast storage now.
Yep... anytime I hear about someone having issues with backup it generally means they were using Backupexec.... It was notorious when I was starting out (granted not that long ago) for mangling tapes.
I used many versions of BE, from Veritas to Symantec back to Veritas. The BE product I rarely had issue with, the other backup products Symantec came out with were a whole other story.
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@dashrender said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
@coliver said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
@dashrender said in IBM and Sony Team Up for 330TB Tape Technology:
This reminds me of the solid state drive announcement what must be 15 years ago now..
I was still in high school when that was announced for "consumer" usage. Actually may have been 8th grade or freshman year.
eh? you were in high school when consumer used SSD were announced? UH.. ok perhaps my old man brain is off - it could have been more like 1998 when ( I think it was IBM) announced an all solid state drive in the lab. It was a pretty amazing thing to consider back then.. now days - meh
Yes, when consumer SSDs were announced long before they were affordable I was just going into highschool... 98... would have been Elementary?
