When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator
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@Grey said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
It's really irrelevant what you impose upon how IT titles should be.
I've never imposed anything, I'm just pointing out how IT hiring works and what the words mean. When you work all over in IT, these are the titles and how they are used broadly and as hiring managers understand them. It's actually the military and HR trying to impose irrelevant, useless, made up titles on an industry that doesn't deal with them. What hiring managers even know about stuff like this and why would they? Knowing that the military makes up jobs that don't exist in the real world does nothing for hiring the people you need.
If the theory that HR uses this was correct, how could you ever staff your IT departments? Half the jobs you need don't exist so you simply can't hire them? And the other half are all wrong and useless. There is a reason that we don't see jobs with these titles, because this isn't how people are hiring.
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Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
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@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
And that's sad because it's natural to become a generalist
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@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
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@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
You mean as a title? Generalist is the only JOB in the SMB. SMB titles are literally gibberish.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
And that's sad because it's natural to become a generalist
Only in places lacking enough people to properly split up roles. Actually quite naturally to specialize.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
And that's sad because it's natural to become a generalist
In the SMB, it's really the only option - as Scott as mentioned and I agree. Sure there are rare times when you can become a specialist, but that's mostly only on the larger side of the SMB market, which by comparison is much smaller an arena
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@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
If you read carefully, I didn't say that. And you are making huge assumptions like you will only work for the SMB. Which is true, but only because you force it to be so.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
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As an official "IT Support Specialist"
I can honestly tell you that titles in IT mean exactly nothing to the business - only IT staff.
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@MattSpeller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
As an official "IT Support Specialist"
I can honestly tell you that titles in IT mean exactly nothing to the business - only IT staff.
