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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
      last edited by

      LOL - creative and fake.

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      • wirestyle22W
        wirestyle22 @Dashrender
        last edited by wirestyle22

        In today's world it feels like you can't be honest and be competitive almost. Of course, I am stubborn about it. that's probably why I make less than I could though. I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

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        • gjacobseG
          gjacobse
          last edited by

          Ah - something else... You have two listed as present employment. Both should be listed together, regardless of begin date,

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          • wirestyle22W
            wirestyle22 @gjacobse
            last edited by wirestyle22

            @gjacobse It's misrepresenting the truth. If you're on a date and you ask the girl what she does and she says "I'm a petroleum technician" when in reality she pumps gas are you going to be like "that's fair"? I seriously doubt it.

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            • gjacobseG
              gjacobse @wirestyle22
              last edited by

              @wirestyle22

              sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...

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              • wirestyle22W
                wirestyle22 @gjacobse
                last edited by wirestyle22

                @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

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                • IRJI
                  IRJ @wirestyle22
                  last edited by

                  @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                  @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

                  It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.

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                  • wirestyle22W
                    wirestyle22 @IRJ
                    last edited by wirestyle22

                    @IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:

                    @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                    @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

                    It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.

                    Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.

                    Always refer back to this:
                    @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                    I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @wirestyle22
                      last edited by

                      @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                      @IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:

                      @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                      @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

                      It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.

                      Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.

                      Always refer back to this:
                      @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                      I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

                      Actually, according to Scott, as long as they aren't lying, the sales persons are the same, or the second one is not doing their job correctly.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:

                        @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                        @IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:

                        @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                        @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

                        It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.

                        Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.

                        Always refer back to this:
                        @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                        I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

                        Actually, according to Scott, as long as they aren't lying, the sales persons are the same, or the second one is not doing their job correctly.

                        Then we get into what is considered a lie. Let's not use the word lie and instead say misrepresent

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                        • gjacobseG
                          gjacobse
                          last edited by

                          @gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:

                          @wirestyle22

                          sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...

                          Let's look at what my NTG title is.. or could be.

                          • Desktop Support Engineer
                          • Help Desk Level 1
                          • Help Desk Level 2
                          • Receptionist
                          • Field Support Engineer
                          • Server Administrator
                          • Network Cable Technician
                          • Installer
                          • KY Sales Manager

                          (Shuew--.. while typing this my computer crashed. I am happy that it retained 90% of the message typed.)

                          So which of those is right or wrong - since I am doing all of them. and as far as the statement of

                          Always refer back to this:
                          @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                          I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

                          That's fine. But you are trying to sell yourself to the company, The Resume is a 'Spec' sheet of the product - you. You are the sales person... so....

                          The challenge is to of course up sell yourself in a manner you are willing to do,.. But at some point - you have to put yourself out there...

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                          • wirestyle22W
                            wirestyle22 @gjacobse
                            last edited by

                            @gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:

                            @gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:

                            @wirestyle22

                            sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...

                            Let's look at what my NTG title is.. or could be.

                            • Desktop Support Engineer
                            • Help Desk Level 1
                            • Help Desk Level 2
                            • Receptionist
                            • Field Support Engineer
                            • Server Administrator
                            • Network Cable Technician
                            • Installer
                            • KY Sales Manager

                            (Shuew--.. while typing this my computer crashed. I am happy that it retained 90% of the message typed.)

                            So which of those is right or wrong - since I am doing all of them. and as far as the statement of

                            Always refer back to this:
                            @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                            I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

                            That's fine. But you are trying to sell yourself to the company, The Resume is a 'Spec' sheet of the product - you. You are the sales person... so....

                            The challenge is to of course up sell yourself in a manner you are willing to do,.. But at some point - you have to put yourself out there...

                            Right

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                            • IRJI
                              IRJ @wirestyle22
                              last edited by

                              @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                              @IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:

                              @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                              @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

                              It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.

                              Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.

                              Always refer back to this:
                              @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                              I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

                              Are you a golden turd? If not what do you have to worry about?

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                              • wirestyle22W
                                wirestyle22 @IRJ
                                last edited by wirestyle22

                                @IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:

                                @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                                @IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:

                                @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                                @gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.

                                It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.

                                Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.

                                Always refer back to this:
                                @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                                I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.

                                Are you a golden turd? If not what do you have to worry about?

                                If I present myself in a dishonest way I'm a golden turd in the sense that i look great but I'm actually shit (can't do my job)

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  FIrst note... the formatting isn't all aligned. That's important. I'm sure it's just a work in progress, but it's misaligned in Google Docs, so worth addressing.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
                                    last edited by

                                    @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                                    @gjacobse I've always been under the impression that you should highlight your strongest stuff first. My experience is stronger than my knowledge on paper although I do have a lot of stuff to add.

                                    In your skills section, yes. In your job history do it chronologically.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
                                      last edited by

                                      @wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:

                                      @gjacobse The hard part of that is honesty. Most of the people I'll be competing with will be lying. I've seen it everywhere. It's hard to compete with people that might as well not exist (they aren't actually who they are presenting). I will typically get the job once I stop becoming a name on a piece of paper, but it's hard to get past that point.

                                      To be fair, I think candidates do this less than the jobs themselves do!

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          Take out your address. City is okay, major city is fine. Actual address is a security vulnerability and makes you look like you don't think well about security.

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                                          • wirestyle22W
                                            wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by wirestyle22

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:

                                            A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".

                                            There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.

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