Zertø Virtual Replication
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@bigbear said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller I haven't heard of Veeam since maybe 2009 or 2008. I feel like it was just getting started then.
This is basically realtime data protection, full fidelity backups? Perusing their website now...
Veeam has been the top player in the backup space for most of the 2010s. They are pretty much the only big name in backups and disaster recovery any more. They are so big that they are a driving factor as to why Vmware and Hyper-V adoption has been so high. Many people base their hypervisor decisions on what Veeam supports!
also if one is looking for money considerations, hyper-v 2016 has it's own replication. it's one-to-one, but it runs up to every 5 seconds rpo if needed (and loads are not devastating - but usually they aren't in smb). and rto is really fast even with mmc snap-in.
I'm currently running hyper-v native replication + altaro for backups. Can understand other solutions for vmware, but on hyper-v on replication you have to beat hyper-v itself price-wise and veeam on reliability. Also with veeam you get backup. zerto "just" replicates: you need additional money for backup.
This is great for long distance (over the WAN), but when local, I know of no case where you'd use this. You'd always use Starwind instead. Vastly more powerful, same price. Free.
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@bigbear said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Do they have a cloud backup (monthly) solution or do you have to license and deploy your own Veeam server?
Definitely looks like a lot has changed. I have not really had any concern or interest in something like this in a long time.
You need a server. Then you can send to cloud through them. Or you can send via something like the Starwind VTL.
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@bigbear said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
And my goal is just to backup this single multi-purpose server I have deployed so I can bare-metal restore it and all the data whenever necessary. I doubt I will have need to back up any other systems with is.
For restores, you rarely want to pull down from the cloud as your first option. Too slow for normal recovery.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@JaredBusch maybe in the vmware ecosystem it can fit, but I do not see any fit for it in hyper-v
I don't see any space for it in either now that supported options are available.
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@bigbear said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
So Veeam free for Server 2016 as an agent and then you buy Veeam? for your server/repository?
Yes, or back up to local disk. The agent is available in a limited form for free. But that's not what you want. You want the Hyper-V agentless version, not a Windows agent for each VM.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Isn't Zerto the one that is unstable and can corrupt your storage because it depends on a deprecated and never production released kernel hook - so its' not a supported product. It's a big deal that Veeam just released something like this because Veeam is the first to do it with Vmware support. Zerto has been doing it and has been done to down VMware from messing with the kernel in inappropriate ways.
Yah they were corrupting data on NFS by re-writing SCSI Sense codes. They also don't use a supported API and are abusing an old security API that is deprecated. They can crash a host pretty easily too because of it.
They are not working within the VMware TAP framework as a supported product, and refuse to provide VMware GSS or engineering with any documentation of what they are doing, like how other TAP partners work. The are a bad apple in the ecosystem and with Veeam offering VAIO support I expect them to loose market share quickly.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@JaredBusch said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Have any of you looked at Zertø?
I just found someone using it and they love it.
https://www.zerto.com/zerto-virtual-replication-version-5-0/
I saw them at Pure//Accelerate and they say that they are more for replication, similar to Veeam, but solely focus on replication. They say that they do it faster because of their proprietary compression and deduplication of the data on the way to the secondary site.
I've never used them before, so take that with a grain of salt.
Veeam is matching them on RPO time by using a SUPPORTED API that is stable called VAIO. The feature support was announced at VeeamOn.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option. -
VMware's support stance on Zerto.
Zerto corrupting data on Nutanix
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/10/zerto_5_u2_fixes_nutanix_data_write_bug/While my opinions and posts here are my own, my day job is working as a Senior Architect in the VMware Storage and Availability Business Unit. My company builds and supports the API's used for replication (VADP, VAIO) as well as the product vSphere Replication (and SRM used for array and DR run book orchestration and testing).
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@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
You just want Veeam installed on a VM?
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
You just want Veeam installed on a VM?
I was just curious if Veeam offered something like that. Not that I would actually deploy and use it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
This is great for long distance (over the WAN), but when local, I know of no case where you'd use this. You'd always use Starwind instead. Vastly more powerful, same price. Free.
well, unless starwind was not free when I've set up this stuff months ago. they've missed my deadline for a few weeks.
Also, does starwind work on different storages without perf. loss? e.g. ssd/sas raid 10 on main server vs. ORB10 on sata 7.2k drives on replica server (used as failover not HA).Also, yes I'm going to move the stuff offsite. But previous question, while offtopic, still holds.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
well, unless starwind was not free when I've set up this stuff months ago. they've missed my deadline for a few weeks.
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
You just want Veeam installed on a VM?
I was just curious if Veeam offered something like that. Not that I would actually deploy and use it.
But it is just Veeam on a VM... so since Veeam is just software, they've always offered this.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Also, does starwind work on different storages without perf. loss? e.g. ssd/sas raid 10 on main server vs. ORB10 on sata 7.2k drives on replica server (used as failover not HA).
It would turn you into HA for one thing, so that's a big bonus. The only time you'd take a performance hit would be if you have cache misses and you need to wait for write commits. Not sure if you can disable the commit to improve the speed, but that would add some risk. But with the cache, it might be overall faster, rather than slower, depending on cache and workload.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
bloody hell!
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
bloody hell!
Yeah, you had to know to ask. But they always gave out free licenses on request
