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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @BRRABill
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      @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

      One other thing @JaredBusch and I discussed was the location in /opt and opposed to /var

      In theory, it should not matter.

      @scottalanmiller there was a discussion in a thread here a couple years ago around using /opt/ for wordpress installs. but I cannot find it. I think there was a reasoning from someone in there for that location.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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        @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

        @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

        One other thing @JaredBusch and I discussed was the location in /opt and opposed to /var

        In theory, it should not matter.

        @scottalanmiller there was a discussion in a thread here a couple years ago around using /opt/ for wordpress installs. but I cannot find it. I think there was a reasoning from someone in there for that location.

        Only thing I know of is that YUM using that location. But have no idea why.

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch
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          Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
          https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

          Web Applications

          Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

          • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
          • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
          • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
            last edited by

            @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

            Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
            https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

            Web Applications

            Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

            • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
            • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
            • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

            Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.

            No idea about the hierarchy.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

              @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

              Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
              https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

              Web Applications

              Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

              • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
              • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
              • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

              Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.

              No idea about the hierarchy.

              Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
              https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challenge

              Now I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                last edited by

                @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
                https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

                Web Applications

                Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

                • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
                • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
                • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

                Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.

                No idea about the hierarchy.

                Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
                https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challenge

                Now I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.

                I have a feeling that it was or is the nginx default directory.

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                • RomoR
                  Romo @JaredBusch
                  last edited by Romo

                  @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                  @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                  Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
                  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

                  Web Applications

                  Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

                  • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
                  • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
                  • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

                  Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.

                  No idea about the hierarchy.

                  Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
                  https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challenge

                  Now I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.

                  I ask about it after seing your guide and you choosing /opt for the instalation

                  https://mangolassi.it/topic/12567/is-there-a-best-practice-for-the-location-of-the-root-folder-of-a-webapp

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @Romo
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                    @Romo said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                    @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                    @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                    Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
                    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

                    Web Applications

                    Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

                    • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
                    • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
                    • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

                    Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.

                    No idea about the hierarchy.

                    Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
                    https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challenge

                    Now I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.

                    I ask about it after seing your guide and you choosing /opt for the instalation

                    https://mangolassi.it/topic/12567/is-there-a-best-practice-for-the-location-of-the-root-folder-of-a-webapp

                    And as you can see from my link above, @scottalanmiller's answer in your thread is not helpful. He simply stated standards. But what standard is the question.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                      @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                      @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                      Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
                      https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_Applications

                      Web Applications

                      Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:

                      • /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
                      • Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
                      • /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard

                      Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.

                      No idea about the hierarchy.

                      Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
                      https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challenge

                      Now I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.

                      I have a feeling that it was or is the nginx default directory.

                      No, you continually reference /opt as the directory to use for 3rd party applications.

                      It I guess the better question is whether or not web apps like this are considered third party applications or something to put in webroot. A Google site search of this site and the term /opt returns many threads with directions from you installing things to /opt.

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                      • BRRABillB
                        BRRABill
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                        He also has said that /var is the only place data should be stored.

                        Hmmmmm.........

                        Come on @scottalanmiller let's get it figured out! 🙂

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                        • BRRABillB
                          BRRABill
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                          @JaredBusch

                          Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                            last edited by

                            @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                            @JaredBusch

                            Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?

                            Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.

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                            • BRRABillB
                              BRRABill @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                              @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                              @JaredBusch

                              Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?

                              Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.

                              Isn't it one of the settings you normally always enable?

                              Or am I thinking about something else?

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @BRRABill
                                last edited by

                                @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                @JaredBusch

                                Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?

                                Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.

                                Isn't it one of the settings you normally always enable?

                                Or am I thinking about something else?

                                generally he says he always sets it to 30 or something like that in other threads.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                                  last edited by

                                  @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                  @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                  @JaredBusch

                                  Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?

                                  Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.

                                  Isn't it one of the settings you normally always enable?

                                  Or am I thinking about something else?

                                  It's not enabling or disabling, it's setting it. The OS default is 60. Many cloud providers change this in their own defaults because it impacts other customers. On my cloud instances, I normally set to 10.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    If this was a physical box or a one to one VM install (only VM on a host) then a swappiness of 60 is a good starting point.

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said

                                      It's not enabling or disabling, it's setting it. The OS default is 60. Many cloud providers change this in their own defaults because it impacts other customers. On my cloud instances, I normally set to 10.

                                      I install Centos 7 Minimal on a Vultr VM, and the default was 30.

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                                      • BRRABillB
                                        BRRABill
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                                        Going back through this today.

                                        What did we ever decide on PHP 5.X versus 7.X

                                        Since WordPress seems to be recommending the move to 7.X, is it reasonable and desired to install that instead? Even if it is not in the official repositories? (I am, just asking for future reference for others.)

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch
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                                          @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                          Going back through this today.

                                          What did we ever decide on PHP 5.X versus 7.X

                                          Since WordPress seems to be recommending the move to 7.X, is it reasonable and desired to install that instead? Even if it is not in the official repositories? (I am, just asking for future reference for others.)

                                          I would install this on Fedora today. If you want to be on CentOS 7, then install the Remi repo and enable the PHP 7.1 repo.

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                                          • BRRABillB
                                            BRRABill @JaredBusch
                                            last edited by

                                            @JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                            @BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:

                                            Going back through this today.

                                            What did we ever decide on PHP 5.X versus 7.X

                                            Since WordPress seems to be recommending the move to 7.X, is it reasonable and desired to install that instead? Even if it is not in the official repositories? (I am, just asking for future reference for others.)

                                            I would install this on Fedora today. If you want to be on CentOS 7, then install the Remi repo and enable the PHP 7.1 repo.

                                            That's two votes for Fedora,then. I know @scottalanmiller is also a fan.

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