Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?

Mike Davis

Since this was on a windows box, I downloaded OpenSSL from:
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/openssl.htm

open a command prompt and CD to the folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\GnuWin32\bin

run the command:
C:\Program Files (x86)\GnuWin32\bin>openssl.exe s_client -connect smtpout.secureserver.net:465

Mike Davis

on a machine outside of that particular Verizon connection, I get:

CONNECTED(00000188)
---
Certificate chain
 0 s:/1.3.6.1.4.1.311.60.2.1.3=US/1.3.6.1.4.1.311.60.2.1.2=Arizona/2.5.4.15=Private Organization/serialNumber=R-1724730-3/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Special Domain Services, LLC/CN=smtpout.secureserver.net
   i:/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Starfield Technologies, Inc./OU=http://certs.starfieldtech.com/repository//CN=Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2
 1 s:/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Starfield Technologies, Inc./OU=http://certs.starfieldtech.com/repository//CN=Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2
   i:/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Starfield Technologies, Inc./CN=Starfield Root Certificate Authority - G2
---
Server certificate
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIHkjCCBnqgAwIBAgIIS/V8PjyZBugwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgcYxCzAJBgNV
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-----END CERTIFICATE-----
subject=/1.3.6.1.4.1.311.60.2.1.3=US/1.3.6.1.4.1.311.60.2.1.2=Arizona/2.5.4.15=Private Organization/serialNumber=R-1724730-3/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Special Domain Services, LLC/CN=smtpout.secureserver.net
issuer=/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Starfield Technologies, Inc./OU=http://certs.starfieldtech.com/repository//CN=Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 4177 bytes and written 450 bytes
---
New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
Server public key is 2048 bit
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1
    Cipher    : DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
    Session-ID: 92225808B974C42795D8CD7FAA697CBFB7195DAB308C49FA7EC3E15A3A9D445C
    Session-ID-ctx: 
    Master-Key: F2B445BD9EB3860ACD43072294D998EE46E4DC892B4FF93F248E879B3E005D3BED352E5EB6FB793E66B1481C14A44EC2
    Key-Arg   : None
    Start Time: 1481080657
    Timeout   : 300 (sec)
    Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate)
---
220 p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net :SMTPAUTH: ESMTP

Mike Davis

on a machine inside the the problem verizon connection, I get:

Loading 'screen' into random state - done
CONNECTED(00000140)
depth=1 /C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=Starfield Technologies, Inc./OU=http://certs.starfieldtech.com/repository//CN=S
arfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2
verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
verify return:0
15712:error:140790E5:SSL routines:SSL23_WRITE:ssl handshake failure:./ssl/s23_lib.c:188:

Mike Davis

I would suspect something like the AV on the computer, but if the laptop is taken out of the network, it sends mail fine. Also on an iPhone, we reproduced the same problem. On wifi through the bad Verizon connection, the phone can't send email. If we disconnect from wifi and let it go to the mobile carrier the email sends. So it's not a Windows or AV thing.

I'm hoping if I can get an email address of someone in support at Verizon so I can email them my findings to prove it's on their network.

Mike Davis

As for some of the back story to respond to the stuff up above about the SMTP relay. Yes, up until two weeks ago, if you were a Verizon customer, you had to put their server in your SMTP server field, and specify port 465 and SSL and a Verizon username and password. So this was not an open relay, but a way for them to see exactly what customer was sending what and how much. For what ever reason, they shut that service down and you should be able to connect to your email provider directly. That doesn't seem to be working....

I know all the settings for the accounts are correct, because as soon as they leave that particular Verizon connection, they can send email once again.

Dashrender

WOW, the invasion of privacy on that email service seems borderline criminal.

Is this a business connection?

Mike Davis

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

WOW, the invasion of privacy on that email service seems borderline criminal.

Is this a business connection?

Yes, static IP and all.

Dashrender

Cox also has a server on port 465 at smtp.cox.net I'm curious what you see inside vs outside, will it be similarly broken setup communication?

Dashrender

@Mike-Davis said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

WOW, the invasion of privacy on that email service seems borderline criminal.

Is this a business connection?

Yes, static IP and all.

To me this is as grievous as Lenovo's actions. The BS excuse I'm sure is antispam, wow.. just wow.

Mike Davis

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

Cox also has a server on port 465 at smtp.cox.net I'm curious what you see inside vs outside, will it be similarly broken setup communication?

Thanks for the idea to try to connect to another mail server. When I try to connect to cox from Verizon, it looks like it works:

CONNECTED(00000138)
---
Certificate chain
 0 s:/C=US/ST=Georgia/L=Atlanta/O=Cox Communications, Inc./CN=smtp.cox.net
   i:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=See www.entrust.net/legal-terms/OU=(c) 2012 Entrust, Inc. - for authorized use only/CN=Entrust Certification Authority - L1K
 1 s:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=See www.entrust.net/legal-terms/OU=(c) 2012 Entrust, Inc. - for authorized use only/CN=Entrust Certification Authority - L1K
   i:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=See www.entrust.net/legal-terms/OU=(c) 2009 Entrust, Inc. - for authorized use only/CN=Entrust Root Certification Authority - G2
 2 s:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=See www.entrust.net/legal-terms/OU=(c) 2009 Entrust, Inc. - for authorized use only/CN=Entrust Root Certification Authority - G2
   i:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=www.entrust.net/CPS is incorporated by reference/OU=(c) 2006 Entrust, Inc./CN=Entrust Root Certification Authority
 3 s:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=www.entrust.net/CPS is incorporated by reference/OU=(c) 2006 Entrust, Inc./CN=Entrust Root Certification Authority
   i:/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=www.entrust.net/CPS is incorporated by reference/OU=(c) 2006 Entrust, Inc./CN=Entrust Root Certification Authority
---
Server certificate
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIFJjCCBA6gAwIBAgIEUNRzGDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBujELMAkGA1UEBhMC
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-----END CERTIFICATE-----
subject=/C=US/ST=Georgia/L=Atlanta/O=Cox Communications, Inc./CN=smtp.cox.net
issuer=/C=US/O=Entrust, Inc./OU=See www.entrust.net/legal-terms/OU=(c) 2012 Entrust, Inc. - for authorized use only/CN=Entrust Certification Authority - L1K
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 5766 bytes and written 322 bytes
---
New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
Server public key is 2048 bit
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1
    Cipher    : DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
    Session-ID: 18370F7C01C5EF4F5896DBF9C2BBEB31386FFE5D0B125BC916B89D7EA6CA91E8
    Session-ID-ctx: 
    Master-Key: DB59D2846345B7807BDA2F42ACE1DF3B9D9AD4A09F83882E72830611A7EBC26460ED9948DE786BA748AE9982121DB706
    Key-Arg   : None
    Start Time: 1481082664
    Timeout   : 300 (sec)
    Verify return code: 19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain)
---
220 eastrmimpo305.cox.net cox ESMTP server ready

Mike Davis

So Verizon isn't out and out blocking 465 because some stuff goes through.

Dashrender

not that it should matter, how about openssl'ing the IP address of your SMTP server instead of the FQDN?

Mike Davis

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

not that it should matter, how about openssl'ing the IP address of your SMTP server instead of the FQDN?

good idea. That would rule out any DNS stuff like suggested above. It seems they are doing some kind of DNS round robin. I queried the DNS entry on a few different server and tried them all inside the bad Verizon and none of them work.

Outside the bad network, which ever one I try seems to work.

Dashrender

@Mike-Davis said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

Then I decided to set up the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter to see if that made a difference.

What was the outcome of using the ER?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

not that it should matter, how about openssl'ing the IP address of your SMTP server instead of the FQDN?

Definitely try this to rule out DNS.

scottalanmiller

@Mike-Davis said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

As for some of the back story to respond to the stuff up above about the SMTP relay. Yes, up until two weeks ago, if you were a Verizon customer, you had to put their server in your SMTP server field, and specify port 465 and SSL and a Verizon username and password. So this was not an open relay, but a way for them to see exactly what customer was sending what and how much. For what ever reason, they shut that service down and you should be able to connect to your email provider directly. That doesn't seem to be working....

I know all the settings for the accounts are correct, because as soon as they leave that particular Verizon connection, they can send email once again.

That was their recommendation but not the only way. You could always run your own proxy. They have no way to block it, not universally.

BRRABill

I've used a Verizon business connection for years and never had to use a relay.

BRRABill

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Dashrender

@Mike-Davis said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

not that it should matter, how about openssl'ing the IP address of your SMTP server instead of the FQDN?

good idea. That would rule out any DNS stuff like suggested above. It seems they are doing some kind of DNS round robin. I queried the DNS entry on a few different server and tried them all inside the bad Verizon and none of them work.

Outside the bad network, which ever one I try seems to work.

you can find all available IPs by using nslookup to find all MX records, then all the IPs of those entries. Should be much faster than pinging the FQDN from several sources.

Mike Davis

@Dashrender said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

@Mike-Davis said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

Then I decided to set up the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter to see if that made a difference.

What was the outcome of using the ER?

ER performed the same. I put the Verizon router back in place since the Verizon router also had wifi.