Windows Server 2016 Pricing
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@wrx7m said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller So if you had a 4 CPU host and 3 Server 2012 R2 standard licenses, would you only be able to run 2 Server 2012 R2 VMs or would you be able to run 6?
Correct, you would only be able to run 2 VMs. One Standard license per two processors, and you have to license for everything in the box. So you want two VMs, you need two licenses, if you want 4 VMs, you need 4 licenses.
It really bends you mind when you think of an 8 processor chassis.
In this case you would need 4 licenses to just be allowed to run two VMs, you would need 8 licenses to run four VMs, etc. -
@wrx7m said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller So if you had a 4 CPU host and 3 Server 2012 R2 standard licenses, would you only be able to run 2 Server 2012 R2 VMs or would you be able to run 6?
Just two.
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Just when you think you have MS licensing down. Why the hell do they make this so complicated?
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One more license and you'd be able to run four. Basically going to 4 CPUs cuts your licensing in half.
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@wrx7m said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Just when you think you have MS licensing down. Why the hell do they make this so complicated?
It's always been that way. It's to keep you from gaming the system and putting insanely large instances onto a single VM without paying more for it.
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@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
It really bends you mind when you think of an 8 processor chassis.
In this case you would need 4 licenses to just be allowed to run two VMs, you would need 8 licenses to run four VMs, etc.Like an HPE Integrity.
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Imagine what it was like on HP Superdomes with IA64 architecture. You could have one Windows instance on over 128 CPUs!!
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Imagine what it was like on HP Superdomes with IA64 architecture. You could have one Windows instance on over 128 CPUs!!
Did MS have special licensing agreements with HP for those?
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@scottalanmiller OK for the sake of my own sanity-
In my environment, I have 3 hosts, each with 2 CPUs. All are running ESXi. If I have eight Windows Server 2012 R2 licenses, how many VMs can I run with Server 2012 R2?
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@wrx7m said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller OK for the sake of my own sanity-
In my environment, I have 3 hosts, each with 2 CPUs. All are running ESXi. If I have eight Windows Server 2012 R2 licenses, how many VMs can I run with Server 2012 R2?
This totally depends on how you split the licenses over the hosts. You can't move licenses between hosts more than once every 90 days.
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Let's assume the most evenly split load
VM host 1 : 3 licenses = six VMs
VM host 2 : 3 licenses = six VMs
VM host 3 : 2 licenses = four VMs -
@Dashrender OK - Good. That is what I thought. That is how it is setup currently.
I guess, once you get beyond 2 CPU, is when you need extra licenses to cover the additional CPUs?
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@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Imagine what it was like on HP Superdomes with IA64 architecture. You could have one Windows instance on over 128 CPUs!!
Did MS have special licensing agreements with HP for those?
No
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@wrx7m said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Dashrender OK - Good. That is what I thought. That is how it is setup currently.
I guess, once you get beyond 2 CPU, is when you need extra licenses to cover the additional CPUs?
Correct, each Standard License covers up to TWO VMs, on TWO CPUs.
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OK. I was getting worried because that was my understanding and I am almost done filling out the MS audit spreadsheet. I haven't had more than 2 CPUs on any host, so that part hasn't applied to me. That is interesting (and annoyingly convoluted), though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
It really bends you mind when you think of an 8 processor chassis.
In this case you would need 4 licenses to just be allowed to run two VMs, you would need 8 licenses to run four VMs, etc.Like an HPE Integrity.
Cloud@Cost was running 8 CPU servers with VMware and windows I believe. All legally licensed I'm sure.
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@Jason said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
It really bends you mind when you think of an 8 processor chassis.
In this case you would need 4 licenses to just be allowed to run two VMs, you would need 8 licenses to run four VMs, etc.Like an HPE Integrity.
Cloud@Cost was running 8 CPU servers with VMware and windows I believe. All legally licensed I'm sure.
They had no Windows. You couldn't even get Windows from them. You had to supply your own and had to license the entire cloud for a single VM that you might want to run.
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@Jason said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
It really bends you mind when you think of an 8 processor chassis.
In this case you would need 4 licenses to just be allowed to run two VMs, you would need 8 licenses to run four VMs, etc.Like an HPE Integrity.
Cloud@Cost was running 8 CPU servers with VMware and windows I believe. All legally licensed I'm sure.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/4842/why-you-cannot-effectively-run-windows-on-cloudatcost
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Jason said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
It really bends you mind when you think of an 8 processor chassis.
In this case you would need 4 licenses to just be allowed to run two VMs, you would need 8 licenses to run four VMs, etc.Like an HPE Integrity.
Cloud@Cost was running 8 CPU servers with VMware and windows I believe. All legally licensed I'm sure.
They had no Windows. You couldn't even get Windows from them. You had to supply your own and had to license the entire cloud for a single VM that you might want to run.
They had it.. just not licensed haha.
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@JaredBusch said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Does anyone have a stupid simple breakdown of pricing? I'm still confuzzled on how this per core stuff works... Currently I work for an MS partner so this isn't something I've had to worry about for quite some time...
For Server 2016 Standard:
$882 for the minimum 16 cores means that the per core price is $55.13.
You are required to buy in 2-core packs. Each 2-core pack then should cost $110.26.
If you have a 2 proc x 10 core server, for 20 total cores, then you will buy 10 2-core packs for $110.26 * 10 = $1102.60.
It won't be easy to stay within basic Standard fee for pretty much ANY server in ±12 months from now. Reason: TOO MANY CORES!
