SSDs are obsolete
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How do you plan on fitting that many PCIE ports in a computer? I have around 20 SATA/SAS ports in my desktop plus a 4 port PCIE expansion. I'm using all expect three of those ports in my system. There's no way I would have the same flexibility without using some sort of harddrive bus.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
How do you plan on fitting that many PCIE ports in a computer? I have around 20 SATA/SAS ports in my desktop plus a 4 port PCIE expansion. I'm using all expect three of those ports in my system. There's no way I would have the same flexibility without using some sort of harddrive bus.
That's the point that a new connection technology is needed to make it more useful. However, you have so many SATA/SAS ports because you are not using PCIe. A single PCIe port can handle the throughput of all of those combined AND the drives can be larger. So the needs are different.
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I can't fathom how the system would be different, though I'm sure to the end user it probably wouldn't be that much different, to use RAM like storage with SSDs instead of drive like storage.
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@Dashrender said:
I can't fathom how the system would be different, though I'm sure to the end user it probably wouldn't be that much different, to use RAM like storage with SSDs instead of drive like storage.
To the end user a computer is always a computer. It makes no difference how it is done. But to IT it means lower cost, higher density, better reliability.
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damn click bait title for the article
better title would be "I think we should do X because Y"
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I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
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@MattSpeller said:
damn click bait title for the article
better title would be "I think we should do X because Y"
Very much so. The idea that SSDs are obsolete is based on the misapplication of the term SSD to refer only to SSDs that physically look like spindle HDs.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think through them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Why not?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think through them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Why not?
Not very flexible. That's a major step backwards.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Not very flexible. That's a major step backwards.
How so? What flexibility do you lose?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Do you mean soldering them into the motherboard? Or you don't think having them communicate over the PCIe (or replacement) connections is a good idea?
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@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Do you mean soldering them into the motherboard? Or you don't think having them communicate over the PCIe (or replacement) connections is a good idea?
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
PCIe cables already exist.
But putting them directly on the motherboard is little different than drives in servers today. That's how they work with their backplanes.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Do you mean soldering them into the motherboard? Or you don't think having them communicate over the PCIe (or replacement) connections is a good idea?
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
I'm not sure I agree with that. (The solder thing totally) How is this any different then current backplanes for SAS or SATA?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
PCIe cables already exist.
But putting them directly on the motherboard is little different than drives in servers today. That's how they work with their backplanes.
Yeah I have one PciE cable.
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@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Do you mean soldering them into the motherboard? Or you don't think having them communicate over the PCIe (or replacement) connections is a good idea?
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
I'm not sure I agree with that. (The solder thing totally) How is this any different then current backplanes for SAS or SATA?
Space. If it's a daughter card with access that would be fine. But on the actual motherboard wouldn't be.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Do you mean soldering them into the motherboard? Or you don't think having them communicate over the PCIe (or replacement) connections is a good idea?
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
I'm not sure I agree with that. (The solder thing totally) How is this any different then current backplanes for SAS or SATA?
Space. If it's a daughter card with access that would be fine. But on the actual motherboard wouldn't be.
With the size of some of the PCIe SSDs out there I don't think space or accessibility will be an issue, at the server level probably but not at the workstation level, They are making some of those SSDs half height cards now. Wasn't there a post about the new PCIe spec having cables which are keyed for different uses?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Space. If it's a daughter card with access that would be fine. But on the actual motherboard wouldn't be.
I guess the confusing thing is.... why did you feel the need to mention it, then? Since PCIe can do anything SAS or SATA can, and SAS or SATA could be just on the motherboard but isn't, why did you feel that pointing out that putting large numbers of PCIe drives directly onto the motherboard would be cumbersome? Of course it would, that's why there are cables, daughter cards, external chassis and other options to use. Once drives are routinely on PCIe there will be all kinds of handy physical options. It's only the physicality of the mobo that seems to be an issue, and even that could be solved.
It's like of like saying "this will be fine as long as they don't start selling only trapezoid shaped cases"... was that really a concern?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Space. If it's a daughter card with access that would be fine. But on the actual motherboard wouldn't be.
I guess the confusing thing is.... why did you feel the need to mention it, then?
Because it was making it sound like it would take the form factor of the current PCIE bus. with no other solutions.
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@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I think there may be a change of interface however I don't think putting them directly on the motherboard is a good solution for anything besides laptops/portables. and low end desktops.
Do you mean soldering them into the motherboard? Or you don't think having them communicate over the PCIe (or replacement) connections is a good idea?
I see no problem with using the PCiE bus as long as you put it in a cable form. Putting them directly on the motherboard is very limiting as far as customization whether soldered or not.
I'm not sure I agree with that. (The solder thing totally) How is this any different then current backplanes for SAS or SATA?
Space. If it's a daughter card with access that would be fine. But on the actual motherboard wouldn't be.
With the size of some of the PCIe SSDs out there I don't think space or accessibility will be an issue, at the server level probably but not at the workstation level, They are making some of those SSDs half height cards now. Wasn't there a post about the new PCIe spec having cables which are keyed for different uses?
Desktops. No. But workstations likely would. They are two different things.
