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@thanksajdotcom said:
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
It's NOT good pay for Syracuse, it's less than you make at Staples. It's pathetic pay, actually. It's less than the most entry level pay for in Rochester (an even more depressed market) was several years ago. $11/hr was the starting pay for zero experience, zero skill call center work in 2008.
And like we've said before, the $15/hr in six months is marketing. You can't keep stating that. Bottom line is, it's a shop that pays $10/hr for entry level. That's a business that is struggling, big time.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And if you look at their website, their idea of a "system engineer" includes requiring an A+ and a high school diploma. I don't think "high end" defines this place. I'm sure they are a fine, low cost MSP. But as AJ knows, they are struggling to pay entry level rates. Not the sign of a place able to afford good Cisco people, even in a market like ours where Cisco people are routinely out of work because they are a dime a dozen these days.
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
I was looking at a job at Cisco direct as Level 3 UCS engineer paying close to $55 an hour.
$15 is not good pay for a Cisco certified goon.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
I wasn't talking to sales guys. I was talking to our L2s.
You are using your L2s as an example that the "double CCIEs who write the protocols for Cisco" are truly qualified?
I'm just saying WE HAVE dual-CCIE guys. Those aren't the guys I was talking to.
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And for $10 they make you go into the office too. $10 if they let you work from home and had crazy benefits or something, sure. Maybe. Everyone has different priorities. But $10 having to commute daily isn't an acceptable rate in any US market. Nor any Canadian market.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And if you look at their website, their idea of a "system engineer" includes requiring an A+ and a high school diploma. I don't think "high end" defines this place. I'm sure they are a fine, low cost MSP. But as AJ knows, they are struggling to pay entry level rates. Not the sign of a place able to afford good Cisco people, even in a market like ours where Cisco people are routinely out of work because they are a dime a dozen these days.
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
I was looking at a job at Cisco direct as Level 3 UCS engineer paying close to $55 an hour.
$15 is not good pay for a Cisco certified goon.
Most people who start here aren't Cisco certified. They are trained to become Cisco certified.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@PSX_Defector said:
Firmware is a big problem with the platform, I will agree there. Long development cycles for issues, no sense of urgency, etc. etc.
That's a problem with Cisco. If you are running Cisco, no one sees you as running important workloads. Cisco doesn't understand enterprise like HP and others do.
And they don't just require contracts for feature updates. Oh there was this critical bug we forgot to fix. Oh yeah you need to pay twice to have it done right.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And if you look at their website, their idea of a "system engineer" includes requiring an A+ and a high school diploma. I don't think "high end" defines this place. I'm sure they are a fine, low cost MSP. But as AJ knows, they are struggling to pay entry level rates. Not the sign of a place able to afford good Cisco people, even in a market like ours where Cisco people are routinely out of work because they are a dime a dozen these days.
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
I was looking at a job at Cisco direct as Level 3 UCS engineer paying close to $55 an hour.
$15 is not good pay for a Cisco certified goon.
That's at an L3 level. There are people here who make 80-100K+.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
I'm just saying WE HAVE dual-CCIE guys. Those aren't the guys I was talking to.
Yes, but no one was questioning that you have L2s. In response to your super duper CCIEs (who make what, $25/hr?) who do Cisco's work for them that we don't believe, you responded that the company knows its stuff. But you validated this by talking to L2s who, I assume, are also at or below entry level pay. What skills do those guys have?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Most people who start here aren't Cisco certified. They are trained to become Cisco certified.
As there is an overwhelming over production of Cisco certified people, one can only assume that they do that because they can't afford people with Cisco experience. If there is something in this industry that we have plenty of, it is Cisco certified people.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And for $10 they make you go into the office too. $10 if they let you work from home and had crazy benefits or something, sure. Maybe. Everyone has different priorities. But $10 having to commute daily isn't an acceptable rate in any US market. Nor any Canadian market.
I'd rather work at retail for $10 an hour. Taking an IT job at that just devalues it.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
And they don't just require contracts for feature updates. Oh there was this critical bug we forgot to fix. Oh yeah you need to pay twice to have it done right.
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@PSX_Defector said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And if you look at their website, their idea of a "system engineer" includes requiring an A+ and a high school diploma. I don't think "high end" defines this place. I'm sure they are a fine, low cost MSP. But as AJ knows, they are struggling to pay entry level rates. Not the sign of a place able to afford good Cisco people, even in a market like ours where Cisco people are routinely out of work because they are a dime a dozen these days.
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
I was looking at a job at Cisco direct as Level 3 UCS engineer paying close to $55 an hour.
$15 is not good pay for a Cisco certified goon.
That's at an L3 level. There are people here who make 80-100K+.
Wow, a whole $80K or more at the top end. Um......
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For that town that might be awesome. But Scotts Point still stands.
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Here's the thing AJ, you should describe it as a little, local MSP and nothing more. That's how they pay, that's how they look. A Cisco partner MSP even, sure. But to tow the company line and promote them as some kind of awesome Cisco shop just blows your credibility. Nothing about them looks like they are in that class and nothing you are saying about them supports them being in that class. They are the lowest paying IT shop in upstate NY that I've ever heard of. Ever. They are below non-IT bench shops.
So trying to repeat their marketing that they are something special doesn't work. Because we are IT people and it is obvious that that is just marketing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Most people who start here aren't Cisco certified. They are trained to become Cisco certified.
As there is an overwhelming over production of Cisco certified people, one can only assume that they do that because they can't afford people with Cisco experience. If there is something in this industry that we have plenty of, it is Cisco certified people.
The Syracuse pool is not great for IT. Not qualified IT people.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@PSX_Defector said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And if you look at their website, their idea of a "system engineer" includes requiring an A+ and a high school diploma. I don't think "high end" defines this place. I'm sure they are a fine, low cost MSP. But as AJ knows, they are struggling to pay entry level rates. Not the sign of a place able to afford good Cisco people, even in a market like ours where Cisco people are routinely out of work because they are a dime a dozen these days.
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
I was looking at a job at Cisco direct as Level 3 UCS engineer paying close to $55 an hour.
$15 is not good pay for a Cisco certified goon.
Most people who start here aren't Cisco certified. They are trained to become Cisco certified.
So they offer shit pay and vague promises of certifications in the future?
Like I said, I was looking at a job for L3 UCS engineer, uncertified, for $55 an hour. Imagine what I would get if I was certified? Even the big red V's L1 networking engineers made more than $15 an hour.
Gain your experience, get your certs, and get the hell out. This place, like Scott said, is a weak company. Take them for a ride and then get the hell out.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PSX_Defector said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And if you look at their website, their idea of a "system engineer" includes requiring an A+ and a high school diploma. I don't think "high end" defines this place. I'm sure they are a fine, low cost MSP. But as AJ knows, they are struggling to pay entry level rates. Not the sign of a place able to afford good Cisco people, even in a market like ours where Cisco people are routinely out of work because they are a dime a dozen these days.
They aren't struggling. That's good pay for Syracuse for entry level. Besides, after six months you go up to $15.
I was looking at a job at Cisco direct as Level 3 UCS engineer paying close to $55 an hour.
$15 is not good pay for a Cisco certified goon.
That's at an L3 level. There are people here who make 80-100K+.
Wow, a whole $80K or more at the top end. Um......
Heck my boss at the last government locality I worked at had no experience in IT aside from working there as a Sys Admin. Didn't have any formal training or certs and generally just had no clue what he was doing and made $80k.
Granted I only made about $18/hr their while I was the network administrator doing both his job and mine.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
The Syracuse pool is not great for IT. Not qualified IT people.
It's got plenty of Cisco people. Everyone does. Way more than there are jobs. They are just unable to attract them.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The Syracuse pool is not great for IT. Not qualified IT people.
It's got plenty of Cisco people. Everyone does. Way more than there are jobs. They are just unable to attract them.
Most Cisco people I know have moved to sales for telecom companies (verizon etc) doing Business 2 Business sales because they can make a lot more money than the Network jobs will pay.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The Syracuse pool is not great for IT. Not qualified IT people.
It's got plenty of Cisco people. Everyone does. Way more than there are jobs. They are just unable to attract them.
Most Cisco people I know have moved to sales for telecom companies (verizon etc) doing Business 2 Business sales because they can make a lot more money than the Network jobs will pay.
Most network people can't do sales jobs.
