Office 2016 preview under NDA
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@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I bet that Zoho could hop in here with a list of large customers of their own too. They are a direct competitor with Google Apps and are active here on ML.
I actually like Zoho alot for my personal use. They offer free email that is much better than standard webmail
They offer 25 accounts free for business right now. I bet we'll get some info about that tomorrow!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I bet that Zoho could hop in here with a list of large customers of their own too. They are a direct competitor with Google Apps and are active here on ML.
I actually like Zoho alot for my personal use. They offer free email that is much better than standard webmail
They offer 25 accounts free for business right now. I bet we'll get some info about that tomorrow!
I have used it on my domains and I love it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They offer 25 accounts free for business right now. I bet we'll get some info about that tomorrow!
@IRJ said:
I have used it on my domains and I love it.
I have Google Apps grandfathered in from when it was free for my daerma.com domain and my Uncle's salvage yard domain. I was debating setting something up to handle my other domains, but now I will look at Zoho for that.
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NTG has a sub-domain grandfathered with Google Apps too.
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I use Zoho, on my personal domain, for webmail, works very well. I haven't touched their documents suite though. I went through most of my high school and all of my college (undergrad and grad) with just Google Apps. Sending in files as a PDF was the solution to things not being compatible. Now though I don't think I've had a problem in recent years with incompatibility.
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I'm going to go ahead and sign my life away and try it out.
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I'd say let us know what you think of it, but NDA...
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@Doughnut said:
I'm going to go ahead and sign my life away and try it out.
Only applies till it goes GA, so not that bad really
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@scottalanmiller meh, makes no difference to me. Bill Gates has had an eternal death grip on my soul for the last 25 or so years anyways.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Roche (where @dominica and @katie used to work) is on Google Apps. They are a 90,000 seat global pharmaceutical. Pretty big there.
Oh, I wonder how switching to Google Apps has changed the helpdesk support requests. I bet that all the remote users are so much happier with this change. You've made me all nostalgic thinking about my old users.
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I wonder if they will address the Office 2013 IMAP issues. There is a thread in the Microsoft forums that is pages long. Microsoft never bothered to reply to it even. Everyone in the thread worked together to find work arounds. It is mostly turning off all the bloatware features in the plug-in's.
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@Dominica in theory support requests will go way down as many of the major apps move completely to the browser. No more install, reinstall or version change requests. Only the "help me use this" handholding requests would remain.
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@bsouder said:
I wonder if they will address the Office 2013 IMAP issues. There is a thread in the Microsoft forums that is pages long. Microsoft never bothered to reply to it even. Everyone in the thread worked together to find work arounds. It is mostly turning off all the bloatware features in the plug-in's.
Holy crap! That looks like one of the issues we have had with some of our users and shared mailbox folders! I had no idea how to describe the issue.
I've bookmarked a page for revision on Monday.
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@bsouder said:
I wonder if they will address the Office 2013 IMAP issues. There is a thread in the Microsoft forums that is pages long. Microsoft never bothered to reply to it even. Everyone in the thread worked together to find work arounds. It is mostly turning off all the bloatware features in the plug-in's.
I doubt it, good IMAP support is not really in their interest. That it works at all is really all that probably matters. If you are a dedicated IMAP shop you are probably going to move to a different web interface, use Thunderbird or are so cheap that you aren't really a serious MS customer.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I doubt it, good IMAP support is not really in their interest. That it works at all is really all that probably matters
That sounds strange considering how stringent you said that they are with their OS releases. Shouldn't they keep their product compatible for the protocols that name as being supported? If they are half arsing it, then save the embarrassment and remove it from Outlook already.
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Yeah - most of the Outlook IMAP issues are related to the plugin's - weeks of playing with them with others with the same problem to get it stable.
FILE -> OPTIONS
Then select the Add-Ins tab on the left.
Bottom of the next window - Manage COM-Add-In (GO) Click the GO
Turn Everything off except your AV Software Add-In and the search if you need it.
Also - make sure the setup of the IMAP is rooted in Inbox. Before you do this make sure you have your calendar and contacts backed up as it will delete everything in the account and re-download. (See below for moving calendar and contacts)
FILE -> ACCOUNT SETTINGS -> MANAGE ACCOUNT
MORE SETTINGS (Bottom Right) -> ADVANCED TAB
Middle of the page - Folders (Root Folder In) INBOX
You also want to move your calendar and contacts out of the IMAP into a PST.
From the HOME tab on the mail Outlook page: Second button in is the NEW Item button - it has a drop down arrow. Click the drop down - then more items - select Outlook Data file at the very bottom. I usually move this out of the user profile to C:\DATA\OUTLOOK - if you have more than one user on the workstation C:\DATA\USER\OUTLOOK
I usually name the new PST something like calendar or contacts depending on what is more important to the user. This should mount the PST as well.
Next go to the calendar for the current user. Click VIEW TAB. Then select the change view drop down and select list. You should be able to see everything in the calendar. If they have anything, just select all and copy he data to the calendar in the new PST. Do the same for the contacts.
Close outlook. to START -> CONTROL PANEL -> MAIL.. In the MAIL windows - select DATA FILES. Set the new PST for the calendar to the default data file. Close both of the windows and open outlook again.
Removing the Calendar and Contacts from the IMAP folder seems to solve a lot of issues as well with synchronization of folders. To be sure you are getting all of your folders and sub-folders, From the main Outlook page go to the folder tab. Then select IMAP folders. In the IMAP folders window - top right select Query. You should see the folders populate. Then select ok. Go to the Send/Receive tab and select **SEND AND RECEIVE ALL FOLDERS **on the left. This should finish updating all folder and they should stay in sync.
Let me know if you have any questions. (I am going to break this out into it's own post so it is easier to find)
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@scottalanmiller said:
@bsouder said:
I wonder if they will address the Office 2013 IMAP issues. There is a thread in the Microsoft forums that is pages long. Microsoft never bothered to reply to it even. Everyone in the thread worked together to find work arounds. It is mostly turning off all the bloatware features in the plug-in's.
I doubt it, good IMAP support is not really in their interest. That it works at all is really all that probably matters. If you are a dedicated IMAP shop you are probably going to move to a different web interface, use Thunderbird or are so cheap that you aren't really a serious MS customer.
Yeah - it seems to be part of the strategy to frustrate the user and force them onto Exchange 2013. I had one client do that already. They also wanted the shared calendars of Outlook. IMAP was not cutting it.
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I believe that that is part of the strategy, get people to realize how much IMAP lacks as it is nothing but an email protocol.
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Our company made the switch to Google Apps for Business several years ago and it has not been a pretty sight. When we first started migrating, from Microsoft Office 2000 none of the less, people were very frustrated by the lack of functionality in Google Apps. Doing something simple in MIcrosoft Office, even the older version, was easy compared to doing it in Google Apps. Sometimes, you have to go search for a plugin to load to give you the functionality and hopefully, it would be a free plugin.
To help appease some folks, we tried OpenOffice and LibreOffice. Again, functionality fell short or it took more steps to accomplish tasks than in Microsoft Office.
While a few folks have since embraced Google Docs as their mainstay, more and more of our people have been single ordering different Microsoft Office apps for them and/or their departments. That is a pain, as it is costing us more in the long run, but management refuses to move to an Open Licensing model, as they still hope Google Docs catches on. Meanwhile, the software shelf is continuing to fill up with retail boxes of Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and Access. I'm thankful that I've discovered that NewEggBusiness gives the best prices and will send you a key via email instead of shipping you an empty box with an installation key.
Even today, we still get lots of calls from folks trying to figure out how to do something in Google Apps and after walking them through step-by-step, they end up requesting a purchase of a Microsoft Office product. And not a week goes by that I don't hear middle management complaining about how much they hate Google (and some of these are folks carrying Android phones and tablets lol).
One other thing to note is that for folks that have simpler app needs, if you have a Microsoft account, you have access to free online version of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote and Outlook. Although they're not fully featured. they work more than well enough for basic users and provide free collaboration tools as well.
Just my two cents worth!
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No question that Google Apps is not a one to one replacement for MS Office. MS Office is the most powerful product on the market. No direct comparison. Google Apps goes for the 50% feature market, LibreOffice for the 85% feature market.
