O365: KUDOS
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@irj said in O365: KUDOS:
@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
@pete-s I guess, still seems like "participation trophies". I'm at the point where I'd rather just have the cash or time off and not deal with this kind of game.
It's not a participation trophy, because everyone gets a participation trophy. This is actually earned, and the acknowledgement is worth it to company and to employees.
I agree with this - I just hate the gamification of it, but sadly, I understand the gamification of it.
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@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
It is to a participation trophy, because you're paid to do a job, this simply acknowledges that you went above and beyond with some pictures or whatever.
Since you have no idea what a participation trophy is or what it means...
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=What's a participation trophy%3F
@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
I think you must find these to be important, why else would you defend the practice?
I find that businesses should do things where they pay very little out of pocket and gain alot of morale from it. I've been given these awards before and I find them very encouraging. Even $25 feels like a great gesture and is above and beyond what your company has to do.
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@irj said in O365: KUDOS:
@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
It is to a participation trophy, because you're paid to do a job, this simply acknowledges that you went above and beyond with some pictures or whatever.
Since you have no idea what a participation trophy is or what it means...
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=What's a participation trophy%3F
@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
I think you must find these to be important, why else would you defend the practice?
I find that businesses should do things where they pay very little out of pocket and gain alot of morale from it. I've been given these awards before and I find them very encouraging. Even $25 feels like a great gesture and is above and beyond what your company has to do.
And it does make you feel better - yes,... $25 isn't much. But it's the acknowledgement of your efforts, not just your showing up.
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@irj said in O365: KUDOS:
Since you have no idea what a participation trophy is or what it means...
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=What's a participation trophy%3FParticipation Trophy, every gets cake or pizza.
This: Everyone gets told Great Job, here's your paycheck.
@irj said in O365: KUDOS:
I find that businesses should do things where they pay very little out of pocket and gain alot of morale from it. I've been given these awards before and I find them very encouraging. Even $25 feels like a great gesture and is above and beyond what your company has to do.
So you have a dog in this fight because you're underpaid and work for a shitty employer who needs to game you into thinking that things aren't so bad.
Now that we've level set, how is a standard and completely normal Bonus not acceptable.
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That may be the 'line difference' between a Kudo and a Bonus. The bonus could be that the agency has done well that quarter / year, or you have had exceptional performance during a period of time.
where as the Kudos is akin to - that person made my day today better, or answered questions in a way that didn't make it seem like I was obtuse... Went out of their way to ensure that one person had everything they needed for that conference call...
While similar - they are not always one and the same.
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@gjacobse said in O365: KUDOS:
That may be the 'line difference' between a Kudo and a Bonus. The bonus could be that the agency has done well that quarter / year, or you have had exceptional performance during a period of time.
where as the Kudos is akin to - that person made my day today better, or answered questions in a way that didn't make it seem like I was obtuse... Went out of their way to ensure that one person had everything they needed for that conference call...
While similar - they are not always one and the same.
Absolutely not, any compensation paid beyond your income is paid as a bonus, you end up paying tax on that (or should).
This is simply skirting that tax liability and gaming employees to work for less with the potential to get an extra $50 bucks every now and then.
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@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
So you have a dog in this fight because you're underpaid and work for a shitty employer
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
You have no clue what you're saying and who you're saying it to.
I also enjoy them. I love where I work and and def not underpaid, but I still think it's a nice gesture and makes you feel good when they show appreciation for it.
I didn't realize we had John Wayne here on the site. Too tough for a company thanks. Ok pilgrim.
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@stacksofplates I wasn't responding to you if you look at my quote, was I?
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@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
@stacksofplates I wasn't responding to you if you look at my quote, was I?
I know you weren't. I'm saying you have no idea who he works for or how much he makes. If you did you'd never have said that.
On top of that I also love where I work, etc.
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@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
@gjacobse said in O365: KUDOS:
That may be the 'line difference' between a Kudo and a Bonus. The bonus could be that the agency has done well that quarter / year, or you have had exceptional performance during a period of time.
where as the Kudos is akin to - that person made my day today better, or answered questions in a way that didn't make it seem like I was obtuse... Went out of their way to ensure that one person had everything they needed for that conference call...
While similar - they are not always one and the same.
Absolutely not, any compensation paid beyond your income is paid as a bonus, you end up paying tax on that (or should).
based on what information? You don't have to claim anything lower than $600 of gifted money (gift cards, cash, tips, etc.) on your taxes so I'm genuinely curious where you are getting this information from.
This is simply skirting that tax liability
do you know how a gift card works?
it's not skirting tax liability to buy a gift card - Gift cards can not be taxed because it's a transfer of funds. Just like changing up 20 $1 bills to a single $20 bill - that's not taxable.
taxes are collected on the redemption of the gift card when they purchase something there's no skirting Tax liability because the taxes are still collected by City/State after a purchase.
Also, are you that much against people getting a small token of gratification? I mean, higher morale means better working teams which can in turn mean high productivity and money for the business.
Sorry @gjacobse , I don't have anything to add to the OP -
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@jt1001001 said in O365: KUDOS:
@gjacobse we use Sharepoint/Yammer for this.
Can you share a little bit more on how that is implemented?
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@wrcombs said in O365: KUDOS:
@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
@gjacobse said in O365: KUDOS:
That may be the 'line difference' between a Kudo and a Bonus. The bonus could be that the agency has done well that quarter / year, or you have had exceptional performance during a period of time.
where as the Kudos is akin to - that person made my day today better, or answered questions in a way that didn't make it seem like I was obtuse... Went out of their way to ensure that one person had everything they needed for that conference call...
While similar - they are not always one and the same.
Absolutely not, any compensation paid beyond your income is paid as a bonus, you end up paying tax on that (or should).
based on what information? You don't have to claim anything lower than $600 of gifted money (gift cards, cash, tips, etc.) on your taxes so I'm genuinely curious where you are getting this information from.
This is simply skirting that tax liability
do you know how a gift card works?
it's not skirting tax liability to buy a gift card - Gift cards can not be taxed because it's a transfer of funds. Just like changing up 20 $1 bills to a single $20 bill - that's not taxable.
taxes are collected on the redemption of the gift card when they purchase something there's no skirting Tax liability because the taxes are still collected by City/State after a purchase.
Also, are you that much against people getting a small token of gratification? I mean, higher morale means better working teams which can in turn mean high productivity and money for the business.
Sorry @gjacobse , I don't have anything to add to the OP -
It's compensation when being provided from your employer to an employee. Ask the IRS.
As such it would generally fall under the category of Income, which is taxed.
No, I'm not against people getting token's of gratification, I'm against stupid "Yay Karen" solutions that gamify people doing quality work for their pay.
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The way this sounds is that this business needs to give kudo's through praise when anyone goes even the slightest above and beyond.
Someone else brought the gift card conversation in, but using Gift cards as a means of keeping employees means you are likely just baiting them to keep them around. Rather than paying them a fair wage if they are such high earners for the business.
I'm not against this, but it is a means of avoiding to have to pay income tax on that $.
What I am against is this desire to praise people for just doing their jobs with anything better than the bear minimum of effort.
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@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
What I am against is this desire to praise people for just doing their jobs with anything better than the bear minimum of effort.
Now there's a grizzly mistake...
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@gjacobse we have Yammer as part of our O365 package. I do not have details about the how as I was not the one who set it up. I will see if I can get more details
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@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
What I am against is this desire to praise people for just doing their jobs with anything better than the bear minimum of effort.
I'm assuming you've never cheered for a sports person in your life then.
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@jt1001001 said in O365: KUDOS:
@gjacobse we have Yammer as part of our O365 package. I do not have details about the how as I was not the one who set it up. I will see if I can get more details
Gotcha - I've seen in there of course, just never paid it any mind and never looked for a application description. That seems like it should do the trick, and is native to O365 already..
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@dashrender said in O365: KUDOS:
@dustinb3403 said in O365: KUDOS:
What I am against is this desire to praise people for just doing their jobs with anything better than the bear minimum of effort.
I'm assuming you've never cheered for a sports person in your life then.
Sports players are expressly paid to make people cheer and hoot and holler. They aren't paid any more for it when the crowd is fired up, as the crowd are their customers.
Not their coworkers....
