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    • travisdh1T
      travisdh1
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      Duplicati, maybe. I think it still relies on VSS, tho, never had a reason to test it with a broken system.

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      • ObsolesceO
        Obsolesce
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        Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

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        • IRJI
          IRJ @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

          The backup medium is a USB disk. We have enough space to hold the backup, but need to write to a file or folder, not take over the entire drive.

          Why cant you just get another USB disk? Are they scared to overwrite because there is no backup of other important data on a single USB disk?

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

            @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

            @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

            Full and incremental image and file backups: Whole partitions can be saved as well as single directories

            UrBackup isn't an agent. I have nowhere to run that from.

            Can you setup a cheap "server" on a laptop and simply install the agent onto the client. The client and server will find each other and then you create your file level backups.

            No, they have no spare gear.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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              @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

              @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

              We have a critical Windows VM that we need to take a backup of us (manually.) No scheduling needed. We can't use Veeam or anything similar that uses an image based system as VSS is not working due to the former IT company misconfiguring VMware ESXi. So we need a file-based backup tool. The backup medium is a USB disk. We have enough space to hold the backup, but need to write to a file or folder, not take over the entire drive.

              Any recommendations on the best tool to use? Thanks

              Veeam doesn't use its own VSS driver? Or am I thinking of a different backup util... Have you tried?

              Veeam doesn't work. We've tried everything with it. They are even licensed for it. But ESXi is just hosed at this point.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @travisdh1
                last edited by

                @travisdh1 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                Duplicati, maybe. I think it still relies on VSS, tho, never had a reason to test it with a broken system.

                Yes, testing that now. It's running.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                  last edited by

                  @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                  Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                  In a pinch, that might do.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @IRJ
                    last edited by

                    @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                    @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                    The backup medium is a USB disk. We have enough space to hold the backup, but need to write to a file or folder, not take over the entire drive.

                    Why cant you just get another USB disk? Is they scared to overwrite because there is no backup of other important data on a single USB disk?

                    That we can get, and we have two 4TB drives heading there tonight. But we have USB capacity, that's not the issue. It's ESXi being hosed so we can't get it to write to the USB disks that we have already (we have three attached) due to the overprosinioning killing storage options.

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                    • IRJI
                      IRJ @Obsolesce
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                      @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                      Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                      Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @IRJ
                        last edited by Obsolesce

                        @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                        @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                        Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                        Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                        I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                          @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                          @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                          @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                          Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                          Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                          I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                          Even for one month, isn't bad. Not sure that they have a pipe to handle a backup, and definitely not a restore, during our small change window for that.

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                          • IRJI
                            IRJ @Obsolesce
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                            @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                            @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                            @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                            Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                            Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                            I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                            Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              rclone would easily do a file level copy of everything as well to pretty much any storage you can provide.

                              Duplicati will encrypt the files by default iirc (which may be a pain in the rear).

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                              • ObsolesceO
                                Obsolesce @IRJ
                                last edited by

                                @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time 😉

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                                • IRJI
                                  IRJ @Obsolesce
                                  last edited by

                                  @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                  @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                  @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                  @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                  @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                  Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                  Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                  I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                  Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                  Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time 😉

                                  As long as he uses the same region for s3 and instance it will be very fast

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                                  • IRJI
                                    IRJ @Obsolesce
                                    last edited by

                                    @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                    @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                    @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                    @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                    @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                    Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                    Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                    I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                    Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                    Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time 😉

                                    It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @IRJ
                                      last edited by

                                      @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                      @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                      @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                      @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                      Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                      Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                      I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                      Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                      Yeah... on prem server here. It's a vet clinic with 1990s client/server applications and no fast WAN as it is a remote village in rural Canada.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @IRJ
                                        last edited by

                                        @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                        Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                        I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                        Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                        Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time 😉

                                        It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.

                                        The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                          @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                          @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                          @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                          @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                          @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                          Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                          Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                          I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                          Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                          Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time 😉

                                          Then the app wouldn't work fast enough when we were done. Also, it's a DC. Which can work remotely but...

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                                          • IRJI
                                            IRJ @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            @IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.

                                            Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.

                                            I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.

                                            Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance

                                            Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time 😉

                                            It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.

                                            The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.

                                            How so if they need to restore?

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