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    • wrx7mW
      wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

      No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

      LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

      I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

      What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

      I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

      They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

      Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

      Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

        No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

        LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

        I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

        What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

        I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

        They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

        Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

        Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

        At a minimum, Essentials Plus. Not sure if more is needed or not. Lacking basic features like HA without paying huge premiums is one of the biggest reasons to avoid VMware. Their tech is great, but all the important bits that are great are unaffordable. You don't even get support until you get to the expensive tiers!

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        • wrx7mW
          wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

          We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

          What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

          Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

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          • wrx7mW
            wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

            No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

            LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

            I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

            What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

            I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

            They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

            Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

            Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

            At a minimum, Essentials Plus. Not sure if more is needed or not. Lacking basic features like HA without paying huge premiums is one of the biggest reasons to avoid VMware. Their tech is great, but all the important bits that are great are unaffordable. You don't even get support until you get to the expensive tiers!

            Cool. Already have Essentials Plus. Support for 6 sockets is about a grand a year. Maybe a tiny bit more.

            Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @wrx7m
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              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

              What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

              Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

              Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

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              • wrx7mW
                wrx7m @JaredBusch
                last edited by wrx7m

                @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                Several years ago, I experienced Dell being out of stock of something and 4-hrs turned into next afternoon. How often does that happen?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                  Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                  It's not horrific, but $555 per host per year is a lot of money compared to free with everyone else. So perspective. Not a ton of money on one hand, but infinitely more than the alternative.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                    last edited by

                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                    What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                    Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                    Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                    Several years ago, I experienced Dell being out of stock of something and 4-hrs turned into next afternoon. How often does that happen?

                    Super rare. Never seen it happen. At least not without a comparable part being available.

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                    • wrx7mW
                      wrx7m @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                      What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                      Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                      Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                      Several years ago, I experienced Dell being out of stock of something and 4-hrs turned into next afternoon. How often does that happen?

                      Super rare. Never seen it happen. At least not without a comparable part being available.

                      That's good to know.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                        last edited by

                        @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                        What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                        Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                        Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                        If you are like us, you can get essentially anything from HPE in under two hours!

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                        • wrx7mW
                          wrx7m
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                          Well, I will show my boss (CFO) the costs and he can decide what he wants to do.

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                          • wrx7mW
                            wrx7m @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                            Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                            It's not horrific, but $555 per host per year is a lot of money compared to free with everyone else. So perspective. Not a ton of money on one hand, but infinitely more than the alternative.

                            Sorry, I really like Veeam. When Veeam starts supporting KVM at the hypervisor level, I can ditch VMware. That, or, when everything moves to the cloud.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                              last edited by

                              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                              It's not horrific, but $555 per host per year is a lot of money compared to free with everyone else. So perspective. Not a ton of money on one hand, but infinitely more than the alternative.

                              Sorry, I really like Veeam. When Veeam starts supporting KVM at the hypervisor level, I can ditch VMware. That, or, when everything moves to the cloud.

                              Hyper-V is also completely free, and supported by Veeam.

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                              • wrx7mW
                                wrx7m @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                                It's not horrific, but $555 per host per year is a lot of money compared to free with everyone else. So perspective. Not a ton of money on one hand, but infinitely more than the alternative.

                                Sorry, I really like Veeam. When Veeam starts supporting KVM at the hypervisor level, I can ditch VMware. That, or, when everything moves to the cloud.

                                Hyper-V is also completely free, and supported by Veeam.

                                Yes. But, it is also a MS product. I am gradually moving away from MS as much as I can. At least, at the server level.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @wrx7m
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                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                                  No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                                  LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                                  I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                                  What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                                  I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

                                  They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

                                  Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

                                  Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

                                  At a minimum, Essentials Plus. Not sure if more is needed or not. Lacking basic features like HA without paying huge premiums is one of the biggest reasons to avoid VMware. Their tech is great, but all the important bits that are great are unaffordable. You don't even get support until you get to the expensive tiers!

                                  Cool. Already have Essentials Plus. Support for 6 sockets is about a grand a year. Maybe a tiny bit more.

                                  Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                                  What does support mean in this case - as in you can make several support calls a year? or simply the ability to call in and pay for support when you do?

                                  I figured $1109 would be for software maintenance - i.e. updates to new versions yearly, but no actual support - that you'd have to pay additional for (think MS Windows Server).

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                                  • wrx7mW
                                    wrx7m @Dashrender
                                    last edited by wrx7m

                                    @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                                    No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                                    LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                                    I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                                    What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                                    I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

                                    They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

                                    Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

                                    Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

                                    At a minimum, Essentials Plus. Not sure if more is needed or not. Lacking basic features like HA without paying huge premiums is one of the biggest reasons to avoid VMware. Their tech is great, but all the important bits that are great are unaffordable. You don't even get support until you get to the expensive tiers!

                                    Cool. Already have Essentials Plus. Support for 6 sockets is about a grand a year. Maybe a tiny bit more.

                                    Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                                    What does support mean in this case - as in you can make several support calls a year? or simply the ability to call in and pay for support when you do?

                                    I figured $1109 would be for software maintenance - i.e. updates to new versions yearly, but no actual support - that you'd have to pay additional for (think MS Windows Server).

                                    I have called in and never had to pay anything extra for support cases.

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                                    • wrx7mW
                                      wrx7m
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                                      @Dashrender - VMware Production support coverage is what I have.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                                        last edited by

                                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                                        It's not horrific, but $555 per host per year is a lot of money compared to free with everyone else. So perspective. Not a ton of money on one hand, but infinitely more than the alternative.

                                        Sorry, I really like Veeam. When Veeam starts supporting KVM at the hypervisor level, I can ditch VMware. That, or, when everything moves to the cloud.

                                        Hyper-V is also completely free, and supported by Veeam.

                                        Yes. But, it is also a MS product. I am gradually moving away from MS as much as I can. At least, at the server level.

                                        No lock in at all. I'm fine with moving away from MS. But this is an independent product and won't affect your overall move away.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                          @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                          What does support mean in this case - as in you can make several support calls a year? or simply the ability to call in and pay for support when you do?

                                          It means you GET a limited about of support.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                            I figured $1109 would be for software maintenance - i.e. updates to new versions yearly, but no actual support - that you'd have to pay additional for (think MS Windows Server).

                                            That's a lower tier "without support".

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