My Weekend Linux Misadventure
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.
Don't look at old versions at all, keep solely to current. If current doesn't work, and somehow old ones do, you are screwed anyway long term.
Well yeah, that's why first thing I did was grab the 19.04. I spent by far the most amount of time trying to get that to work.
Could be the laptop hardware, maybe HP Omens are more difficult to make work for Linux. Very briefly looked into that, but came up empty.Yeah, can be an issue. I've had terrible luck with my Asus RoG stuff, but Ubuntu works great on it (I tried Fedora first, it does not.)
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@JaredBusch Ohhhhhhhh ok, interesting.
OK so, here's my laptop: https://www.amazon.com/HP-i7-7700HQ-Processor-Solid-State-17-ap010nr/dp/B075LKSJZ7/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=omen+1070&qid=1565031272&s=gateway&sr=8-2
Apparently the video card in the device is a full 1070, not the dumbed down mobile 1070, supposedly.
What if...Linux was choosing a mobile driver and not the full version?
The version the Omen has is the regular 1070 (Albeit 90% of a desktop 1070 of course), not a...max q 1070.
Maybe I was installing the wrong driver.
Though I did also try third party repositories, PPA specifically, to auto install drivers...This could explain though why the installation failed so many times, I've been downloading the Notebook version of the 1070 driver since...I have a fu*(ing notebook.
Hmmm, though this doesn't explain why the driver didn't become the default when I ticked the third party driver box.
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Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
What if...Linux was choosing a mobile driver and not the full version?
That's not how anything works on any OS.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This could explain though why the installation failed so many times, I've been downloading the Notebook version of the 1070 driver since...I have a fu*(ing notebook.
This is 100% likely. Users error is almost always the problem.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
Damn - that's what I would expect. that's how Windows generally works - you don't install a 100% specific driver for your 'exact' card - you install a driver that has dozens if not hundreds of cards supported, and it installs the bits needed upon detection of the hardware.
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@JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This could explain though why the installation failed so many times, I've been downloading the Notebook version of the 1070 driver since...I have a fu*(ing notebook.
This is 100% likely. Users error is almost always the problem.
PEBCAK
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@Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
Damn - that's what I would expect. that's how Windows generally works - you don't install a 100% specific driver for your 'exact' card - you install a driver that has dozens if not hundreds of cards supported, and it installs the bits needed upon detection of the hardware.
Of course JB will call me a moron now for thinking this is acceptable.
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@Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
Damn - that's what I would expect. that's how Windows generally works - you don't install a 100% specific driver for your 'exact' card - you install a driver that has dozens if not hundreds of cards supported, and it installs the bits needed upon detection of the hardware.
Of course JB will call me a moron now for thinking this is acceptable.
He's really just flirting though
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This may have been mentioned, but make sure your laptop doesn't have an Intel GPU and an NVIDIA one. That gives me fits every time.
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@JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
What if...Linux was choosing a mobile driver and not the full version?
That's not how anything works on any OS.
Oh operating systems don't install incorrect drivers from time to time?
Heh, I beg to differ.
Now maybe Linux is better about it, but I've had plenty of Windows f-ups of wonky driver installs.
However, it's incredibly unlikely and I realize that. I'll admit I've reached a bit too far there. -
@dafyre said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This may have been mentioned, but make sure your laptop doesn't have an Intel GPU and an NVIDIA one. That gives me fits every time.
Nah just nvidia, I double checked during troubleshooting.
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This thread brings to mind Linus Torvalds when asked about Nvidia "F*** Nvidia" was his response. He doesn't like Nvidia and what they pull with their proprietary drivers. Most linux users don't, because of these same sort of issues @kamidon.
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In my experience ATI / AMD isn't any better. I've got an older HP Probook with ATI/Intel switchable graphics that was removed from support in the proprietary drivers a couple of years back.
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@notverypunny said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
In my experience ATI / AMD isn't any better. I've got an older HP Probook with ATI/Intel switchable graphics that was removed from support in the proprietary drivers a couple of years back.
I though the ATI/AMD GPUs had decent open source drivers?
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@travisdh1 said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This thread brings to mind Linus Torvalds when asked about Nvidia "F*** Nvidia" was his response. He doesn't like Nvidia and what they pull with their proprietary drivers. Most linux users don't, because of these same sort of issues @kamidon.
Yeah I guess Nvidia's a real as$hole when it comes to their drivers huh...
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@dafyre said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@notverypunny said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
In my experience ATI / AMD isn't any better. I've got an older HP Probook with ATI/Intel switchable graphics that was removed from support in the proprietary drivers a couple of years back.
I though the ATI/AMD GPUs had decent open source drivers?
Might the case in general, but in my specific case the manual control / switching has been depreciated in the closed source and was never cleanly implemented in the opensource ones that I've seen. But to be perfectly honest I haven't put a whole lot of time into seeing if I can get it to work. The guides I've skimmed all seem to reference scripts and rebooting the x server... I'm not using that machine for anything that needs that level of tweaking so it's nothing more than an example of discontinued hardware support....
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@travisdh1 said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This thread brings to mind Linus Torvalds when asked about Nvidia "F*** Nvidia" was his response. He doesn't like Nvidia and what they pull with their proprietary drivers. Most linux users don't, because of these same sort of issues @kamidon.
Yeah I guess Nvidia's a real as$hole when it comes to their drivers huh...
They are a bit. Even on Windows their driver situation is pretty awful.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
What if...Linux was choosing a mobile driver and not the full version?
That's not how anything works on any OS.
Oh operating systems don't install incorrect drivers from time to time?
Heh, I beg to differ.
Now maybe Linux is better about it, but I've had plenty of Windows f-ups of wonky driver installs.
However, it's incredibly unlikely and I realize that. I'll admit I've reached a bit too far there.No, an OS never installs the incorrect version of a driver.
It 100% installs the driver it is instructed to install for the hardware it detected, by the reference information in the driver files provided by whoever creates them.
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@JaredBusch Yeaaaaaaaaaah, good point. Seems pretty straightfoward.
One example I have where correct hardware drivers are installed, but the drivers didn't work in the given environment are HP 401 printers. The driver designed for the machine for whatever reason just wouldn't work. User prints, program crashes or freezes for up to five minutes.
We install HP Universal drivers though, issue is resolved.
Was bizarre, but yeah it was still the correctly chosen driver for the device, just junk software I suppose.
You're right, I was wrong.
