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    • WrCombsW
      WrCombs @Obsolesce
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      @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

      @WrCombs said in Fitness and Weightloss:

      I usually get a lot of grief for this but - whatever

      I'm at the most I've ever weighed at 153 pounds as of 4 weeks ago. (I know I know, go eat a sandwich, right? )

      haven't weighed myself since then.

      I've been 130's for the last 5 years.

      I'd like to stay around 145-150.
      I'm starting a new martial arts program once a month (cause that all the time I will actually have) and doing constant work outs at home at least 3 times a week :

      day 1 - pull ups, dips, push ups, lunges and then free weights (curls, shoulder raises, etc.)
      day 2 - 10 minute ab work out, followed by back work outs (from when i took a 12 foot fall, )
      day 3 - 1 miles walk/jog , 5 x 25 yard sprints, half a mile jog and half a mile walk to cool down.

      on alternate days I do forms, heavy bag work outs, full circuit Kung Fu work outs, body conditioning (punching a bag full of beads, punching brick walls, , heavy bag with out gloves, heavy bag kicks, etc)

      I've trained in Wing Chun kung fu (everybody wing chun tonight never gets old.) for about 2 years now.
      I've found a new teacher (see above about starting new) my old teacher was a piece of work.

      any other Ideas on how to stay at this weight/lose a little ?
      or gain muscle(replace muscle with fat?)

      What's your height?

      5' 8.5"

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

        I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.

        Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

          @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

          I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.

          Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL

          I added some "exercise" but I want to stress that it is mostly "reducing sedentary state" rather than "exercising."

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

            @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

            @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

            I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.

            Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL

            I added some "exercise" but I want to stress that it is mostly "reducing sedentary state" rather than "exercising."

            Without restricting myself to some insane low calorie count that is not realistically sustainable, I could not lose weight even slowly with my lifestyle.

            I eat healthier now than I ever have.

            I have added ~1 hour morning and evening of walking on the treadmill at a pace enough to raise my heart-rate decently. I am hoping tha twill be enough of a difference.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @JaredBusch
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              @JaredBusch said in Fitness and Weightloss:

              @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

              @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

              @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

              I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.

              Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL

              I added some "exercise" but I want to stress that it is mostly "reducing sedentary state" rather than "exercising."

              Without restricting myself to some insane low calorie count that is not realistically sustainable, I could not lose weight even slowly with my lifestyle.

              I eat healthier now than I ever have.

              I have added ~1 hour morning and evening of walking on the treadmill at a pace enough to raise my heart-rate decently. I am hoping tha twill be enough of a difference.

              I don't understand what's unrealistic about a lower calorie count? Clearly I did it - and Scott has done it. Does it mean learning to eat less? yep - does it mean retraining your body on how much food you really need to live - again, yep.

              Something I learned after joining the gym - drinking water really helps be less hungry. Being fully hydrated leads to eating less. When on program (i.e. not being lazy) I drink around 100 oz of water a day.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                I don't understand what's unrealistic about a lower calorie count?

                Why are you assuming I have a high calorie count now? I never said that. In fact, I implied the opposite when I stated :

                Without restricting myself to some insane low calorie count that is not realistically sustainable

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                  @JaredBusch said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                  @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                  I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.

                  Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL

                  I added some "exercise" but I want to stress that it is mostly "reducing sedentary state" rather than "exercising."

                  Without restricting myself to some insane low calorie count that is not realistically sustainable, I could not lose weight even slowly with my lifestyle.

                  I eat healthier now than I ever have.

                  I have added ~1 hour morning and evening of walking on the treadmill at a pace enough to raise my heart-rate decently. I am hoping tha twill be enough of a difference.

                  I don't understand what's unrealistic about a lower calorie count? Clearly I did it - and Scott has done it. Does it mean learning to eat less? yep - does it mean retraining your body on how much food you really need to live - again, yep.

                  Something I learned after joining the gym - drinking water really helps be less hungry. Being fully hydrated leads to eating less. When on program (i.e. not being lazy) I drink around 100 oz of water a day.

                  Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                  Also, a low calorie intake is very bad and as JB said, not realistically sustainable.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                    Something I learned after joining the gym - drinking water really helps be less hungry. Being fully hydrated leads to eating less.

                    Yes, dehydration makes you feel hungry when you don't need the calories. I watch for that carefully. But before then my sinuses and eyes don't feel good, so I tend to stay hydrated.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                      @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                      Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                      That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

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                      • RojoLocoR
                        RojoLoco @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                        @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                        Something I learned after joining the gym - drinking water really helps be less hungry. Being fully hydrated leads to eating less.

                        Yes, dehydration makes you feel hungry when you don't need the calories. I watch for that carefully. But before then my sinuses and eyes don't feel good, so I tend to stay hydrated.

                        This one is tricky in the spring when allergies are going nuts. Even when properly hydrated, this time of year my sinuses and eyes are not happy most of the time.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                          @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                          Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                          That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                          I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                            @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                            @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                            Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                            That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                            I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                            Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.

                            It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                              @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                              @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                              Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                              That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                              I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                              https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                                That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                                I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                                https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html

                                Hah, I just went looking for that..

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  It's a fascinating article, and really informational about how we think about averages.

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                    Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                                    That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                                    I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                                    Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.

                                    It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.

                                    :thumbs_up:

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                      @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                      @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                      I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.

                                      Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL

                                      I added some "exercise" but I want to stress that it is mostly "reducing sedentary state" rather than "exercising."

                                      Without restricting myself to some insane low calorie count that is not realistically sustainable, I could not lose weight even slowly with my lifestyle.

                                      I eat healthier now than I ever have.

                                      I have added ~1 hour morning and evening of walking on the treadmill at a pace enough to raise my heart-rate decently. I am hoping tha twill be enough of a difference.

                                      I don't understand what's unrealistic about a lower calorie count? Clearly I did it - and Scott has done it. Does it mean learning to eat less? yep - does it mean retraining your body on how much food you really need to live - again, yep.

                                      Something I learned after joining the gym - drinking water really helps be less hungry. Being fully hydrated leads to eating less. When on program (i.e. not being lazy) I drink around 100 oz of water a day.

                                      Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                                      Also, a low calorie intake is very bad and as JB said, not realistically sustainable.

                                      We're not talking 1000 cals a day here, assuming he had a horrible diet around 3000 cals a day, drop it to 2000 or 1500, hell, drop it to 2500 and there should be a difference.

                                      I was extreme, I dropped from likely (never actually calculated) 2500/day to under 1500/day... and as I said, I dropped 40 lbs in under 4 months.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by Dashrender

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                        Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                                        That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                                        I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                                        Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.

                                        It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.

                                        **Edit - Had I kept reading the posts, I would have seen Scott posted the link to the article I mention below.

                                        Right - wasn't there a story posted on ML sometime in the last year about pilots and their seats in planes? they used an average height - but later studies found that some ridiculously low number were actually that 'average' height? So they changed the seats, and many things were improved.

                                        I'm guessing the same applies to all of these medical studies.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                          @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                          @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                          Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                                          That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                                          I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                                          Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.

                                          It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.

                                          My average body temp is 97.6, well below the normal..

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                            @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                            @Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

                                            Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.

                                            That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.

                                            I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.

                                            Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.

                                            It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.

                                            My average body temp is 97.6, well below the normal..

                                            that's really close to mine. I'm around 97.7. It's partially why I get warm so easily and need to sleep so cold.

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