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    Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor

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      dave_c @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller
      Got it. I was speaking on a purely technical way, but that’s a limited view.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        The only really good answer is getting Veeam over to Linux so that this licensing overhead just isn't needed. But it would be a crazy amount of work for them and their customer base, because of their heavy focus on agentless and VMware / Hyper-V is almost purely Windows shops. So the licensing is normally part of an enterprise agreement and really trivial. Those of us affected by the cost of the licensing are not their bread and butter customers.

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          BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

          The only really good answer is getting Veeam over to Linux so that this licensing overhead just isn't needed. But it would be a crazy amount of work for them and their customer base, because of their heavy focus on agentless and VMware / Hyper-V is almost purely Windows shops. So the licensing is normally part of an enterprise agreement and really trivial. Those of us affected by the cost of the licensing are not their bread and butter customers.

          SInce so much of what we talk about here at ML is Linux-based, I was shocked there wasn't a solution there for a Veeam setup. But what you say here makes perfect sense.

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          • DonahueD
            Donahue
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            Veeam leverages too many windows technologies currently. Hence, I run it on Server 2012r2

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              scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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              @BRRABill Nakivo, URBackup... lots of options. Just not from Veeam. Which is too bad as Veeam is amazing.

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                BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                @BRRABill Nakivo, URBackup... lots of options. Just not from Veeam. Which is too bad as Veeam is amazing.

                Right. I know everyone loves it.

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                  dave_c @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                  @dave_c said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                  @magicmarker said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                  What is the typical Veeam backup server OS recommendation for SMB then? Should I be looking at going with a Windows 2016 OS instead?

                  We always use Windows Server 2016 with ReFS. Another option recommended by Veeam is Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, especially if you are going to use ReFS

                  Problem is "recommended by Veeam" doesn't mean that you can get a license to do it. That's only for people where MS EULA doesn't apply.
                  ...

                  Just found this on http://www.veeam.com/veeam_backup_9_5_whats_new_wn.pdf (page 5)

                  Instant recovery of agent backups to a Hyper-V VM now support Windows 10 Hyper-V as the target hypervisor. This is particularly useful
                  for managed service providers by enabling them to create low-cost all-in-one BCDR appliances to deploy at their clients’ premises.
                  

                  It seems like Veeam doesn't care about MS EULA. Or perhaps I'm missing an exception in the EULA

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @dave_c
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                    @dave_c said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                    @dave_c said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                    @magicmarker said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                    What is the typical Veeam backup server OS recommendation for SMB then? Should I be looking at going with a Windows 2016 OS instead?

                    We always use Windows Server 2016 with ReFS. Another option recommended by Veeam is Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, especially if you are going to use ReFS

                    Problem is "recommended by Veeam" doesn't mean that you can get a license to do it. That's only for people where MS EULA doesn't apply.
                    ...

                    Just found this on http://www.veeam.com/veeam_backup_9_5_whats_new_wn.pdf (page 5)

                    Instant recovery of agent backups to a Hyper-V VM now support Windows 10 Hyper-V as the target hypervisor. This is particularly useful
                    for managed service providers by enabling them to create low-cost all-in-one BCDR appliances to deploy at their clients’ premises.
                    

                    It seems like Veeam doesn't care about MS EULA. Or perhaps I'm missing an exception in the EULA

                    This should be totally ok, as long as they are only used on that local machine, and not served as servers to others on the network (and it's licensed as required).

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce
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                      Just remember that per the Win10 EULA, you can only virtualize Win10 if it's the only licensed Windows VM.

                      I don't have it in front of me to verify, but that's what I remember reading on there. Will verify a bit later.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
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                        Nothing in that says it is running Windows 10 guests. It is using Hyper-V on Windows 10 for temporary DR.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                          @dave_c of course Veeam doesnt care. EuLA is your problem to deal with. Has nothing to do with them.

                          We already stated that.

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                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                            @Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                            Just remember that per the Win10 EULA, you can only virtualize Win10 if it's the only licensed Windows VM.

                            I don't have it in front of me to verify, but that's what I remember reading on there. Will verify a bit later.

                            Thats not the issue. And not the case. VDI licensing gets you around that. But nothing gets you around the no-server use EULA.

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                              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                              @Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                              Just remember that per the Win10 EULA, you can only virtualize Win10 if it's the only licensed Windows VM.

                              I don't have it in front of me to verify, but that's what I remember reading on there. Will verify a bit later.

                              Thats not the issue. And not the case. VDI licensing gets you around that. But nothing gets you around the no-server use EULA.

                              Did not know VDI was involved in the OPs case.

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                                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                @Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                @Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                Just remember that per the Win10 EULA, you can only virtualize Win10 if it's the only licensed Windows VM.

                                I don't have it in front of me to verify, but that's what I remember reading on there. Will verify a bit later.

                                Thats not the issue. And not the case. VDI licensing gets you around that. But nothing gets you around the no-server use EULA.

                                Did not know VDI was involved in the OPs case.

                                Its the licensing for more than one Windows workstation on a server.

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                                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:

                                  Just remember that per the Win10 EULA, you can only virtualize Win10 if it's the only licensed Windows VM.

                                  I don't have it in front of me to verify, but that's what I remember reading on there. Will verify a bit later.

                                  Thats not the issue. And not the case. VDI licensing gets you around that. But nothing gets you around the no-server use EULA.

                                  Did not know VDI was involved in the OPs case.

                                  Its the licensing for more than one Windows workstation on a server.

                                  Yeah:

                                  Licensing Windows desktop operating system for use with virtual machines
                                  http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/8/D/98D6A56C-4D79-40F4-8462-DA3ECBA2DC2C/Licensing_Windows_Desktop_OS_for_Virtual_Machines.pdf

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