Router / AP / Switch for business
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@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
is just an ERL with UniFi firm
Right, but it's just 10 people. The minute something becomes advanced I'd move to an ER-4 or ER-6.
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
is just an ERL with UniFi firm
Right, but it's just 10 people. The minute something becomes advanced I'd move to an ER-4 or ER-6.
But even if not advanced, why the USG?
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@scottalanmiller just to match with the Unifi gear
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I think what they should do is nix the Unfi line and merge it and allow you to choose colors
but then other people wouldn't like that. Unifi is pretty cheap and works fine. USG I know has been the scorn for a lot of folks, but it does work for the most part -
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
Unifi is pretty cheap and works fine. USG I know has been the scorn for a lot of folks, but it does work for the most part
No, it's not cheap and doesn't work fine. It's double the cost and extra effort. Exactly bad for the exact group it's "in theory" supposed to be good for. It doesn't "work fine" because being cost effective is a key part of that definition. It costs too much.
Instead of coming up with why it is "not so bad", why is it "good" in any way? What's the driving factor pushing you to double the cost versus the EdgeRouter line?
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@scottalanmiller just to match with the Unifi gear
But... how is that really useful?
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
USG
But Scott a USG cost 100 bucks. That's gotta be cheaper than that Night Hawk!
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You know I'd personally only do ER
but for this guy with the night hawk 
a USG is nothing short of an improvement but if the owner was being serious about his business then yea I'd stick with ER-4 or 6 -
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
USG
But Scott a USG cost 100 bucks. That's gotta be cheaper than that Night Hawk!
That's a false comparison. The competitor is the ERX for $45.
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
You know I'd personally only do ER
but for this guy with the night hawk a USG is nothing short of an improvement but if the owner was being serious about his business then yea I'd stick with ER-4 or 6That something is an improvement is never an okay guide. The goal is to make a good decision for them, not a bad decision that is better than an even worse decision made previously.
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@scottalanmiller Good point
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Example:
Current Decision: Lose Lots of Money!
Good Decision: Make Lots of Money!
Bad Decision: Lose Less Money than Before
Using bad decisions to justify more bad decisions is fundamentally flawed logic. You can make any arbitrarily terrible comparison to make any bad decision seem plausible.
For example, use the Cisco ASA for $5,000 as a comparison. Suddenly the Nighthawk seems brilliant. If we allow the bar to be shifted arbitrarily, we can justify anything.
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@scottalanmiller said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
mple, use the Cisco ASA for $5,000 as a comparison. Suddenly the Nighthawk seems brilliant. If we allow the bar to be shifted arbitrarily, we can justify anything.
That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Scott how do you feel about PFSense?
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
Scott how do you feel about PFSense?
As a hobby product to play with, its' fine. But building your own routers is silly outside of a lab and has no place in a business. PFSense is good for learning how routers work, but it's not something to deploy for real. PFSense is among the best of a bad category of things. It's the networking equivalent to NAS software. It's better in the stateless networking world, but still fundamentally silly.
You can't get good hardware to put PFSense on as cheaply as you can get things like Ubiquiti and Mikrotik so there is no call for it in the real world.
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Any product you want to be "cheap" or "easy" or "simple" needs to prove itself as being more valuable than one of those two products. Not because they are impossible to beat, but because they are widely available enterprise gear that sets the bar for quality, features, and price. They are better than anything in the consumer category, and better than a lot of stuff in the enterprise category.
If you want something that is consumer, DIY, or similar, it must be cheaper than one of these.
If you want something that is enterprise and loaded with features, that's fine but it must be enough better than one of these to justify the difference in price.
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@scottalanmiller said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
USG
But Scott a USG cost 100 bucks. That's gotta be cheaper than that Night Hawk!
That's a false comparison. The competitor is the ERX for $45.
That is a false comparison as the USG is actually comparable to the ERL, not the ERX.
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@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@scottalanmiller said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
USG
But Scott a USG cost 100 bucks. That's gotta be cheaper than that Night Hawk!
That's a false comparison. The competitor is the ERX for $45.
That is a false comparison as the USG is actually comparable to the ERL, not the ERX.
Oh, because it has a console port? That's legit.
However, I'd argue in the cases where this is considered, the console port isn't useful. The USG in utility is below the ERX, making the ERX the proper comparison. The ERL might be closer in spec, but the ERL would also lose to the ERX for normal consumer use, IMHO. That the ERL is more akin to the USG only shows that neither is the good choice for most home users. Businesses might prefer the ERL (I do), but for a home user who can't use the console port, the ERX has the benefit of being smaller and having switch ports making it both superior in function and lower in cost.
So I think the ERL would be the bad comparison here, because it makes the USG appear closer to a reasonable price than it really is for the use case in question.
