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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce @RojoLoco
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      @rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      Can a road be used for good? Yes
      Can a road be used for crime? Yes

      Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
      Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

      Change out road with car. Same result.

      It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

      Let's take your example 1 step further.

      Can a gun be used for good? Yes
      Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

      Can a gun kill a person? No
      Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

      If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

      yet guns aren't illegal.

      But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

      NOT the same thing at all.

      Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

      That box might be full of heroin, you don't know! 😉

      Maybe in your house!

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      • ObsolesceO
        Obsolesce @DustinB3403
        last edited by Obsolesce

        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        Can a road be used for good? Yes
        Can a road be used for crime? Yes

        Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
        Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

        Change out road with car. Same result.

        It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

        Let's take your example 1 step further.

        Can a gun be used for good? Yes
        Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

        Can a gun kill a person? No
        Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

        If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

        yet guns aren't illegal.

        But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

        Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

        You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

        No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

        But easy access isn't stealing.

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce
          last edited by

          Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
            last edited by

            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            Can a road be used for good? Yes
            Can a road be used for crime? Yes

            Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
            Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

            Change out road with car. Same result.

            It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

            Let's take your example 1 step further.

            Can a gun be used for good? Yes
            Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

            Can a gun kill a person? No
            Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

            If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

            yet guns aren't illegal.

            But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

            Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

            You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

            No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

            Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              Can a road be used for good? Yes
              Can a road be used for crime? Yes

              Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
              Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

              Change out road with car. Same result.

              It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

              Let's take your example 1 step further.

              Can a gun be used for good? Yes
              Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

              Can a gun kill a person? No
              Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

              If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

              yet guns aren't illegal.

              But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

              Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

              You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

              And that is not illegal.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                Can a road be used for good? Yes
                Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                Change out road with car. Same result.

                It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                Let's take your example 1 step further.

                Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                Can a gun kill a person? No
                Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                yet guns aren't illegal.

                But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                No, that would be illegal.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                  last edited by

                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                  Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

                  Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                    @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                    Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

                    Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

                    Irrelevant.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      Can a road be used for good? Yes
                      Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                      Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                      Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                      Change out road with car. Same result.

                      It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                      Let's take your example 1 step further.

                      Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                      Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                      Can a gun kill a person? No
                      Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                      If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                      yet guns aren't illegal.

                      But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                      Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                      You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                      No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                      Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                      No, that would be illegal.

                      That is what this box offers.

                      So where is your argument here?

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                        last edited by

                        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

                        Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

                        Irrelevant.

                        Not at all irrelevant. You're stating its OK to do one thing, but not the other and the reversing the statement in the following post.

                        FFS

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          Can a road be used for good? Yes
                          Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                          Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                          Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                          Change out road with car. Same result.

                          It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                          Let's take your example 1 step further.

                          Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                          Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                          Can a gun kill a person? No
                          Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                          If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                          yet guns aren't illegal.

                          But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                          Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                          You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                          No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                          Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                          No, that would be illegal.

                          That is what this box offers.

                          So where is your argument here?

                          Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                            last edited by

                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            Can a road be used for good? Yes
                            Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                            Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                            Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                            Change out road with car. Same result.

                            It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                            Let's take your example 1 step further.

                            Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                            Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                            Can a gun kill a person? No
                            Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                            If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                            yet guns aren't illegal.

                            But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                            Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                            You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                            No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                            Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                            No, that would be illegal.

                            That is what this box offers.

                            So where is your argument here?

                            Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

                            Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                              last edited by

                              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              Can a road be used for good? Yes
                              Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                              Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                              Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                              Change out road with car. Same result.

                              It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                              Let's take your example 1 step further.

                              Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                              Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                              Can a gun kill a person? No
                              Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                              If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                              yet guns aren't illegal.

                              But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                              Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                              You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                              No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                              Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                              No, that would be illegal.

                              That is what this box offers.

                              So where is your argument here?

                              Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

                              The offset to this is that the box maker is selling a product, and has almost certainly shown the intention of enabling people to steal.

                              That is the issue. Any conflation of that fact is just putting rose colored glasses on.

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                              • ObsolesceO
                                Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                Change out road with car. Same result.

                                It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                Can a gun kill a person? No
                                Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                yet guns aren't illegal.

                                But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                                You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                                No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                                Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                                No, that would be illegal.

                                That is what this box offers.

                                So where is your argument here?

                                Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

                                Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

                                Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.

                                That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                                  last edited by

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                  Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                  Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                  Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                  Change out road with car. Same result.

                                  It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                  Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                  Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                  Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                  Can a gun kill a person? No
                                  Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                  If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                  yet guns aren't illegal.

                                  But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                  Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                                  You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                                  No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                                  Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                                  No, that would be illegal.

                                  That is what this box offers.

                                  So where is your argument here?

                                  Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

                                  Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

                                  Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.

                                  That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.

                                  Enabling a person to perform a crime, means intent and makes that person an accomplice.

                                  Nothing else you state can refute that. Just because someone may buy this box and never steal content doesn't mean that the 100's or 1000's of others who do steal content are right for doing what they are easily made capable of.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    Promoting an act of crime (inciting violence etc) is as much a crime as performing the act yourself.

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                      Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                      Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                      Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                      Change out road with car. Same result.

                                      It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                      Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                      Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                      Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                      Can a gun kill a person? No
                                      Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                      If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                      yet guns aren't illegal.

                                      But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                      Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                                      You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                                      No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                                      Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                                      No, that would be illegal.

                                      That is what this box offers.

                                      So where is your argument here?

                                      Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

                                      Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

                                      Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.

                                      That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.

                                      Enabling a person to perform a crime, means intent and makes that person an accomplice.

                                      Nothing else you state can refute that. Just because someone may buy this box and never steal content doesn't mean that the 100's or 1000's of others who do steal content are right for doing what they are easily made capable of.

                                      You're mixing laws together and coming up with your own opinions.

                                      There is no law in place making this box illegal.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @Obsolesce
                                        last edited by

                                        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

                                        Close, but I'm trying to think of something a little better... hmm..

                                        A chainsaw makes access to Dustin's house easier... chainsaw the door down.. I think we should make chainsaws illegal.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

                                          Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

                                          Irrelevant - Irrelevant...

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                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                            Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                            Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                            Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                            Change out road with car. Same result.

                                            It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                            Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                            Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                            Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                            Can a gun kill a person? No
                                            Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                            If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                            yet guns aren't illegal.

                                            But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                            Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                                            You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                                            No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                                            Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

                                            No, that would be illegal.

                                            That is what this box offers.

                                            So where is your argument here?

                                            Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

                                            Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

                                            Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.

                                            That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.

                                            Enabling a person to perform a crime, means intent and makes that person an accomplice.

                                            Nothing else you state can refute that. Just because someone may buy this box and never steal content doesn't mean that the 100's or 1000's of others who do steal content are right for doing what they are easily made capable of.

                                            You're mixing laws together and coming up with your own opinions.

                                            There is no law in place making this box illegal.

                                            But there are laws in place which exist to prevent theft. IE Laws which state if I plan to break into your house, that just the act of planning it means I can go to prison.

                                            Same thing here, it's planned that the device can do illegal things, thus makes this worth taking to court.

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