FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
The FCC still doesn't know what the internet is, and fundamentally has no hope of understanding it before Thursday's vote.
Quite frankly, i dont think a single person in Congress or working for the Executive Branch--at any level--knows what the internet is or how it works. They are all lawyers and real estate people or financial advisers, literally know-nothing jobs for know-nothing people.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
... no one can be this malevolent on purpose.
You're kidding, right? Some of us have to work extra hard not to turn dark side.
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Looks like we don't get an open internet.
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@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Looks like we don't get an open internet.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/16776154/fcc-net-neutrality-vote-results-rules-repealed
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Well, that just totally <connection interrupted>
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Project Loon and Musk's LEO satellite internet can't come soon enough.
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This is what piques my curiosity about the whole issue. From my perspective as a consumer my access has been unchanged / unaffected for the last 10 years, let alone the last two. I understand the concept of Title II classification and the theoretical effects of today decision, but I'm curious what the "real" effects were when the regulation happened and what the "real" effects will be with the regulation being lifted.
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@eddiejennings said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
This is what piques my curiosity about the whole issue. From my perspective as a consumer my access has been unchanged / unaffected for the last 10 years, let alone the last two. I understand the concept of Title II classification and the theoretical effects of today decision, but I'm curious what the "real" effects were when the regulation happened and what the "real" effects will be with the regulation being lifted.
Simply put, imagine wanting to go to Youtube, but ComCast has a service called NaziStream. In order for you to access YouTube's server, you have to go through ComCasts' network.
What ComCast can do is either charge YouTube or your ISP an additional fee to not throttle your internet service to YouTube.
Or they could just throttle your internet service (at the end of your ISPs network and throughout their network) and make recommendations to NaziStream (their competing service to YouTube) to you. Which then hurts YouTube and you and everyone else involved, because NaziStream and ComCast.
Thus passing a cost on to you, if YouTube or your ISP opts to pay the fee (which of course would be passed on to the consumer.)
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@eddiejennings said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
This is what piques my curiosity about the whole issue. From my perspective as a consumer my access has been unchanged / unaffected for the last 10 years, let alone the last two.
How can you tell? As a consumer, the ISP controls your view of the world. If they want to make one site a little slower so that you stop using it, you don't perceive that as not getting access, it's just a normal part of selecting what site to go to. Or Google shifts it in the listings.
This is actually about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. It's one of the biggest deals that there can be. At this point, while they have to be subtle, the ISPs control the access to all communications and information of any importance.
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@eddiejennings said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
This is what piques my curiosity about the whole issue. From my perspective as a consumer my access has been unchanged / unaffected for the last 10 years, let alone the last two. I understand the concept of Title II classification and the theoretical effects of today decision, but I'm curious what the "real" effects were when the regulation happened and what the "real" effects will be with the regulation being lifted.
Your statement that you are unaffected is untrue.
You may not have noticed, but you were. Comcast throttling netflix is the most obvious example.Here is a couple of questions that solves the issue for all
Is your electric company and water utility allowed to tell you what sorts of electronic devices or cups you can use? Do they restrict you to only using Sony or Denon a/v receivers?
Does your water company only give you water if you have a kohler faucet?The answer is obviously no. Why should your isp be able to do things like this? Even ifyou are right and they havent(but they have), they will now.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yes, i agree , and further think this is a part of the War on Knowledge that the federal government has been waging against people for a few decades now. It is the reason they want weak encryption, the reason they allow these huge media consolidation deals that are obviously anti consumer.
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We'll all know when the throttling begins because ML will start to run slower and slower and SW will run faster and faster. . .
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Hell any ISP could now make a blanket statement, we're going to throttle every website we don't own and operate by X percentage.
If those websites want full unfettered performance they can pay use $x per month.
Imagine how websites and services will die off.
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FreePress.net is going to sue the FCC and work to get congress to reinstate Net Neutrality rules.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@eddiejennings said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
This is what piques my curiosity about the whole issue. From my perspective as a consumer my access has been unchanged / unaffected for the last 10 years, let alone the last two.
How can you tell? As a consumer, the ISP controls your view of the world. If they want to make one site a little slower so that you stop using it, you don't perceive that as not getting access, it's just a normal part of selecting what site to go to. Or Google shifts it in the listings.
This is actually about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. It's one of the biggest deals that there can be. At this point, while they have to be subtle, the ISPs control the access to all communications and information of any importance.
How can I tell? I can't with any degree of certainty. All I have is my perception of the services I consume.
The freedom of speech and freedom of the press issue is curious, and I'll have to think on it a bit. Regulations can easily create a path to erode a freedom. I supposed I'd have to weigh which represents a greater threat. Governmental control via Title II or ISP control outside of Title II.
