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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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      @jaredbusch said in Routers and switches:

      @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

      @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

      I am using fiber for webhosting the ERL is fast enough?

      WAY faster than you have. I'm running 160/160 fiber through it and it doesn't break a sweat. It'll do gigabit.

      Not true if you do anything other than route and I have posted as much more than once.

      Correct, but he's not asking if it'll do that AND something else. It'll handle gigabit speeds as a router.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

        @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

        @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

        @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

        I have a web hosting business.

        That doesn't explain the need for double routers, though. If you have pfSense, why add another router? Are you just looking to upgrade from pfSense to something more serious?

        I'm guessing that the ISP is delivering Fiber to him.. he has to convert it to ethernet for his network, or run fiber NICs everywhere 😛

        I've literally never heard of an ISP that hands off fiber. Who do you know that does that?

        Yeah, no one does that.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

          @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

          @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

          @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

          I have a web hosting business.

          That doesn't explain the need for double routers, though. If you have pfSense, why add another router? Are you just looking to upgrade from pfSense to something more serious?

          I'm guessing that the ISP is delivering Fiber to him.. he has to convert it to ethernet for his network, or run fiber NICs everywhere 😛

          I've literally never heard of an ISP that hands off fiber. Who do you know that does that?

          This is why I was confused by what the OP wanted. he originally asks for a router, then but then later says he's using PFSense... so if he's happy with PFSense, what is the router for?

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          • mroth911M
            mroth911
            last edited by

            The router need to connect to the cienna switch they provide. I could configure my swtch on two diffent ports for wan ppp and then usable address

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @mroth911
              last edited by

              @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

              The router need to connect to the cienna switch they provide. I could configure my swtch on two diffent ports for wan ppp and then usable address

              Can't the PFSense do that? A ER-X can, I would be surprised if PFSense can't do that.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @mroth911
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                @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                The router need to connect to the cienna switch they provide.

                Right, but you have a router for that today, the pfSense. Right?

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                • mroth911M
                  mroth911
                  last edited by

                  I am using Comcast router. Going into a hp2920 with pfsense vm

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @mroth911
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                    @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                    I am using Comcast router. Going into a hp2920 with pfsense vm

                    Oh, you the issue here is that you don't have a physical firewall / router. Now it is more clear. Then okay, just get a Ubiquiti ERL and remove the pfSense completely, you don't want a VM based router on your network.

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                    • mroth911M
                      mroth911
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                      Ok sounds good I glad I was on the right track. I also have a Cisco 2811 router, dont know how to
                      Program it.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                        you don't want a VM based router on your network.

                        What's wrong with it?

                        If he has more than one NIC on the VM host, he could dedicate one NIC to the PFSense, and the other to be shared internally.

                        Granted, personally, I like the idea of having the firewall be its own appliance, but is it completely needed?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @mroth911
                          last edited by

                          @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                          Ok sounds good I glad I was on the right track. I also have a Cisco 2811 router, dont know how to
                          Program it.

                          Toss it. For $65 you can have a good router that kicks its butt and you don't have to spend time learning Cisco and you don't have to worry about how to fix it should something go wrong.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                            you don't want a VM based router on your network.

                            What's wrong with it?

                            It's not at the network edge. So the traffic is inside the network before being filtered. Fundamentally illogical for a network edge security device.

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                            • matteo nunziatiM
                              matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                              @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                              @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                              I have a web hosting business.

                              That doesn't explain the need for double routers, though. If you have pfSense, why add another router? Are you just looking to upgrade from pfSense to something more serious?

                              I'm guessing that the ISP is delivering Fiber to him.. he has to convert it to ethernet for his network, or run fiber NICs everywhere 😛

                              I've literally never heard of an ISP that hands off fiber. Who do you know that does that?

                              My ISP does if you want but it is way too expensive for us. don't even remember the price... So we simply receive the fiber and the other equipment and their stuff convert to ethernet in our racks. Then we plug the eth in the firewall.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @matteo nunziati
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                                @matteo-nunziati said in Routers and switches:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                                @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                                @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                                I have a web hosting business.

                                That doesn't explain the need for double routers, though. If you have pfSense, why add another router? Are you just looking to upgrade from pfSense to something more serious?

                                I'm guessing that the ISP is delivering Fiber to him.. he has to convert it to ethernet for his network, or run fiber NICs everywhere 😛

                                I've literally never heard of an ISP that hands off fiber. Who do you know that does that?

                                My ISP does if you want but it is way too expensive for us. don't even remember the price... So we simply receive the fiber and the other equipment and their stuff convert to ethernet in our racks. Then we plug the eth in the firewall.

                                Why would you want the fiber delivered directly to you?

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                                • matteo nunziatiM
                                  matteo nunziati @Dashrender
                                  last edited by matteo nunziati

                                  @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                                  @matteo-nunziati said in Routers and switches:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                                  @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                                  @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                                  I have a web hosting business.

                                  That doesn't explain the need for double routers, though. If you have pfSense, why add another router? Are you just looking to upgrade from pfSense to something more serious?

                                  I'm guessing that the ISP is delivering Fiber to him.. he has to convert it to ethernet for his network, or run fiber NICs everywhere 😛

                                  I've literally never heard of an ISP that hands off fiber. Who do you know that does that?

                                  My ISP does if you want but it is way too expensive for us. don't even remember the price... So we simply receive the fiber and the other equipment and their stuff convert to ethernet in our racks. Then we plug the eth in the firewall.

                                  Why would you want the fiber delivered directly to you?

                                  well it is not that I want it, it is how fiber connectivity is delivered in Italy in industrial areas: FTTH all around. FTTC only where you have legacy infrastructure with copper lines (I mean the POTS) like offices, houses and the so. there they wire everything with fiber but the last "mile".
                                  In my industrial area you have only to choose: dark fiber and buy your equipment or shared/limited bandwith and reduced cost along with all the fiber-to-copper conversion stuff.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @matteo nunziati
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                                    @matteo-nunziati said in Routers and switches:

                                    @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                                    @matteo-nunziati said in Routers and switches:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                                    @dashrender said in Routers and switches:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Routers and switches:

                                    @mroth911 said in Routers and switches:

                                    I have a web hosting business.

                                    That doesn't explain the need for double routers, though. If you have pfSense, why add another router? Are you just looking to upgrade from pfSense to something more serious?

                                    I'm guessing that the ISP is delivering Fiber to him.. he has to convert it to ethernet for his network, or run fiber NICs everywhere 😛

                                    I've literally never heard of an ISP that hands off fiber. Who do you know that does that?

                                    My ISP does if you want but it is way too expensive for us. don't even remember the price... So we simply receive the fiber and the other equipment and their stuff convert to ethernet in our racks. Then we plug the eth in the firewall.

                                    Why would you want the fiber delivered directly to you?

                                    well it is not that I want it, it is how fiber connectivity is delivered in Italy in industrial areas: FTTH all around. FTTC only where you have legacy infrastructure with copper lines (I mean the POTS) like offices, houses and the so. there they wire everything with fiber but the last "mile".
                                    In my industrial area you have only to choose: dark fiber and buy your equipment or shared/limited bandwith and reduced cost along with all the fiber-to-copper conversion stuff.

                                    Interesting. I have fiber into my building, but the provider still handles the conversion to copper (ethernet) for me.

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                                    • matteo nunziatiM
                                      matteo nunziati @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @dashrender you mean FTTB? This is available only in a few areas here. More common in the big cities.

                                      Basically if you look at our rack you will see 2 fiber optic patch panels. One is our internal patch panel with OM2 and OM3, the other one is from our ISP and hosts the monomode fiber for WAN.

                                      If you rent the "entire" cable you get a dark fiber in the optich patch panel. period.
                                      Otherwise you also receive the conversion stuff. Including a cisco router reserved for the ISP "tricks and games".

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                                      • R3dPand4R
                                        R3dPand4
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                                        +100 for Ubiquiti, also take a look at Mikrotik

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @R3dPand4
                                          last edited by

                                          @r3dpand4 said in Routers and switches:

                                          +100 for Ubiquiti, also take a look at Mikrotik

                                          Yeah, both are good. Amazing how good a lot of options are today. For cheap.

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