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    • sreekumarpgS
      sreekumarpg
      last edited by sreekumarpg

      Hello All,

      I would like to get the suggestion on SQL backup Solution. Currently our environment is have two node SQL cluster with around 16 TB of Data. We are using Rapid Recovery as the Backup solution. We have upgraded our Windows Cluster to 2012 with Clustered Share Volume and the SQL Cluster to 2014.

      Now we are facing issue with Rapid Recovery as its not able to understand the clustered share volume and we are not able to take the backup of our SQL storage on Block level. As per Rapid Recovery, they are not sure when they will release a version which support CSV.

      We are in a situation to look into another SQL backup Solutions. Currently I am testing the Unitrends backup Virtual appliance and Its is good in backup, but I am having some issues on the retention polices as they provide only minimal policy which is on the SQL instance level.

      Kindly suggest me a good backup solution for the SQL database which is having application native backup agent or CSV support , rather than block level backup. Also with the backup policy and retention policy of

      Backup : - Daily Incremental and Monthly Full backup
      Retention : - 2 Week incremental and Last month Full backup.

      Backup : Every 6 Month
      Retention : Last 6th Month

      Backup : Every Year
      Retention : Last 2 year.

      If this can be achieved in Unitrends please share the details.

      Thanks in Advance.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by DustinB3403

        Unitrends and Veeam are often the go to solutions when discussing backup. You're already considering Unitrends, all that needs to be sorted out is the retention.

        Have you bought Unitrends, do you have support?

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        • sreekumarpgS
          sreekumarpg @DustinB3403
          last edited by

          @dustinb3403 said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

          you bought Unitrends, do you have suppo

          Unitrends Evaluation

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @sreekumarpg
            last edited by

            @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

            Unitrends Evaluation

            So the only support option would be their support channel / chat.

            It can be found here under chat. Enter a description of the problem, and see if the issue exists, if not move to the chat and see if anyone is online who can assist.

            I haven't used unitrends, so I can't speak to the issue you're having.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @dustinb3403 said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

              @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

              Unitrends Evaluation

              So the only support option would be their support channel / chat.

              It can be found here under chat. Enter a description of the problem, and see if the issue exists, if not move to the chat and see if anyone is online who can assist.

              I haven't used unitrends, so I can't speak to the issue you're having.

              Boy, to get a real worth while understanding of a product, I would expect them to give more support during an evaluation period. Perhaps you can call them and they will give you a support incident to call in on.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                You'll want to be looking at Veeam.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                  You'll want to be looking at Veeam.

                  Since we know you have the infrastructure for Rapid Recovery, Veeam is probably the least expensive option. Assuming they support CSV, which I have no clue.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    Using Hyper-V?

                    https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backup/hyperv/backup_process.html?ver=95

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                    • sreekumarpgS
                      sreekumarpg @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller We are using Physical SQL Cluster with CSV.

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                      • sreekumarpgS
                        sreekumarpg
                        last edited by

                        I would like to have a Backup solution of SQL with native agent base backup rather than Block level backup, so that I can restore in DB level.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @sreekumarpg
                          last edited by

                          @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                          I would like to have a Backup solution of SQL with native agent base backup rather than Block level backup, so that I can restore in DB level.

                          Are you saying that because you think that Veeam does not have an agent?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @sreekumarpg
                            last edited by

                            @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                            @scottalanmiller We are using Physical SQL Cluster with CSV.

                            Isnt' this in production? Databases are the last thing you'd want physical.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @sreekumarpg
                              last edited by

                              @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                              I would like to have a Backup solution of SQL with native agent base backup rather than Block level backup, so that I can restore in DB level.

                              Both agent and block level do this equally. Being agent based is not a factor in this capability.

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                              • sreekumarpgS
                                sreekumarpg @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                                ock level do this equally. Being agent based is not a factor in this capability.

                                Thanks scott, I will be testing the Veeam solution also.

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                                • sreekumarpgS
                                  sreekumarpg @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                                  t' this in production? Databases are the last thing you'd want physica

                                  This is in Production and currently we are doing SQL native backup as the Rapid Recovery is not able to see the clustered share volume to take block level backup

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @sreekumarpg
                                    last edited by

                                    @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                                    t' this in production? Databases are the last thing you'd want physica

                                    This is in Production and currently we are doing SQL native backup as the Rapid Recovery is not able to see the clustered share volume to take block level backup

                                    Production and physical really don't go together. Physical implies that someone didn't think that this was a very important workload. Databases are the top thing to virtualize and have been universally virtualized the longest as virtualization adds stability and safety.

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                                    • sreekumarpgS
                                      sreekumarpg @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller Agree scott, unfortunately Management current decision is to continue the SQL in the Physical cluster and seems they have no plans to change. If possible kindly share me some details and documents which can help me to propose the same to my management for review.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @sreekumarpg
                                        last edited by

                                        @sreekumarpg said in Microsoft SQL Backup Solution:

                                        @scottalanmiller Agree scott, unfortunately Management current decision is to continue the SQL in the Physical cluster and seems they have no plans to change. If possible kindly share me some details and documents which can help me to propose the same to my management for review.

                                        If they need documents to convince them to protect their data, we've got bigger issues. Virtualization in the industry best practice and has been for a very long time. It's safer in many ways. All benefits, no downsides. The ball is in their court to explain why they have been reckless.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          Some references...

                                          http://www.smbitjournal.com/2015/04/virtualizing-even-a-single-server/
                                          http://www.smbitjournal.com/2012/11/virtualization-as-a-standard-pattern/

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                                          • sreekumarpgS
                                            sreekumarpg @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller Thanks Scott, really appreciate

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