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    • BRRABillB
      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said

      its a cultural issue on Windows how ridiculous misuse of capitalization has been first accepted and then promoted. ... Abusing caps on Windows has made Windows users struggle unnecessarily all along.

      You just supported my argument.

      And I'm not necessarily even talking about filenames ... do you use a lot of Windows apps where CTRL-m and CTRL-M do different things? I sure don't.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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        @BRRABill said in Linux: Using Top:

        @scottalanmiller said

        its a cultural issue on Windows how ridiculous misuse of capitalization has been first accepted and then promoted. ... Abusing caps on Windows has made Windows users struggle unnecessarily all along.

        You just supported my argument.

        And I'm not necessarily even talking about filenames ... do you use a lot of Windows apps where CTRL-m and CTRL-M do different things? I sure don't.

        Can't think of any that would NOT be case sensitive there. CTRL-x and CTRL-SHIFT-x are standardly case sensitive on Windows.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          Any example of a little app on Windows you might use that is case sensitive... MS office.

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            scottalanmiller
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            And of course the OS itself is.

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            • BRRABillB
              BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Linux: Using Top:

              Can't think of any that would NOT be case sensitive there. CTRL-x and CTRL-SHIFT-x are standardly case sensitive on Windows.

              How so?

              They both do exactly the same thing.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                @BRRABill said in Linux: Using Top:

                @scottalanmiller said in Linux: Using Top:

                Can't think of any that would NOT be case sensitive there. CTRL-x and CTRL-SHIFT-x are standardly case sensitive on Windows.

                How so?

                They both do exactly the same thing.

                Not on Windows. Not on MS apps or any I know. What specialty app are you thinking of? And is it caused by having so few shortcuts that they double mapped them?

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                • BRRABillB
                  BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Linux: Using Top:

                  @BRRABill said in Linux: Using Top:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Linux: Using Top:

                  Can't think of any that would NOT be case sensitive there. CTRL-x and CTRL-SHIFT-x are standardly case sensitive on Windows.

                  How so?

                  They both do exactly the same thing.

                  Not on Windows. Not on MS apps or any I know. What specialty app are you thinking of? And is it caused by having so few shortcuts that they double mapped them?

                  I was just using Notepad. But I do see that in Word, CTRL+SHIFT+X does nothing. (Which is totally different than top where, for example, m and M both do different things.)

                  Do you have an example of where CTRL-[letter] and CTRL-SHIFT-[letter} actually do different things?

                  It's one things to just not have the SHIFT portion of it work, because why would anyone press SHIFT if they could more easily not. But it is another entirely to have each do something totally different.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                    @BRRABill said in Linux: Using Top:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Linux: Using Top:

                    @BRRABill said in Linux: Using Top:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Linux: Using Top:

                    Can't think of any that would NOT be case sensitive there. CTRL-x and CTRL-SHIFT-x are standardly case sensitive on Windows.

                    How so?

                    They both do exactly the same thing.

                    Not on Windows. Not on MS apps or any I know. What specialty app are you thinking of? And is it caused by having so few shortcuts that they double mapped them?

                    I was just using Notepad. But I do see that in Word, CTRL+SHIFT+X does nothing. (Which is totally different than top where, for example, m and M both do different things.)

                    Do you have an example of where CTRL-[letter] and CTRL-SHIFT-[letter} actually do different things?

                    It's one things to just not have the SHIFT portion of it work, because why would anyone press SHIFT if they could more easily not. But it is another entirely to have each do something totally different.

                    X was an variable for "a character" there. But Windows uses caps in handling of shortcuts. Each application makes their own choices, of course, but the Windows, Microsoft and the Windows ecosystem standard is to respect case. It is unique to file system names when accessed through the command shell or the NT shell that they are ignored. The OS, most applications, the filesystem - essentially everything is still case sensitive.

                    You can see why it is bad. Remove it in one little place and Windows users often think it applies in all kinds of places that it does not. It's very confusing. I know what it exists (compatibility with DOS) but it's super weird and backwards. It's literally a holdover from the 80s and feels like it.

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                    • BRRABillB
                      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller

                      But "respecting it" means nothing.

                      In WIndows, pressing a key for a function only does that function, or nothing.

                      I am taking about, for example, in top where

                      m

                      and

                      M

                      do two totally different things.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                        @BRRABill said in Linux: Using Top:

                        @scottalanmiller

                        But "respecting it" means nothing.

                        In WIndows, pressing a key for a function only does that function, or nothing.

                        I am taking about, for example, in top where

                        m

                        and

                        M

                        do two totally different things.

                        Right, an in WIndows it always does two different things. If you keep using it in places where both do nothing, you can make ANYTHING into "not sensitive". But that logic, nearly every letter on the keyboard does the same thing - nothing. So you just told me that WIndows isn't "key sensitive". See why that makes no sense?

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