Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving
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@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@wirestyle22 said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Dashrender said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@dafyre said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Mike-Davis said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
It's pretty sad that people with tech skills only see their next step as moving to management.
I see the only step UP as management. Anything else that keeps me in the trenches, in my mind, is a lateral move.
Is there something wrong with lateral moves, especially if the pay more?
Also, would not an engineering role be a promotion vs now?
I think management is a completely different skill set and I would consider it the start of a new career more than a promotion
I think people in this community has very different employers: we have no management role. I simply do it all: strategy proposals (ok let call them stratigies....), HW picking and sizing, setup, debug, customer care, sweeping.
this has been so in every place I've worked in. do not expect any change in this. rather the contents of the work let me think about a promotion.
Unless you are the CEO or owner of the company, there is always a management role.
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT. You can say I am COO and CTO for IT here. But actually I am just a dumb guy.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@wirestyle22 said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Dashrender said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@dafyre said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Mike-Davis said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
It's pretty sad that people with tech skills only see their next step as moving to management.
I see the only step UP as management. Anything else that keeps me in the trenches, in my mind, is a lateral move.
Is there something wrong with lateral moves, especially if the pay more?
Also, would not an engineering role be a promotion vs now?
I think management is a completely different skill set and I would consider it the start of a new career more than a promotion
I think people in this community has very different employers: we have no management role. I simply do it all: strategy proposals (ok let call them stratigies....), HW picking and sizing, setup, debug, customer care, sweeping.
this has been so in every place I've worked in. do not expect any change in this. rather the contents of the work let me think about a promotion.
Unless you are the CEO or owner of the company, there is always a management role.
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT. You can say I am COO and CTO for IT here. But actually I am just a dumb guy.
Well, CIO. COO runs operations, the department that makes the actual products of the company. CTO is the head of engineering, the department makes the tools for IT to run. CIO is the head of IT / business infrastructure.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT.
Most people in SMB IT don't make the final calls, most have someone over them making the final decisions.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
I am just a dumb guy.
You're among friends
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@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@wirestyle22 said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Dashrender said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@dafyre said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Mike-Davis said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
It's pretty sad that people with tech skills only see their next step as moving to management.
I see the only step UP as management. Anything else that keeps me in the trenches, in my mind, is a lateral move.
Is there something wrong with lateral moves, especially if the pay more?
Also, would not an engineering role be a promotion vs now?
I think management is a completely different skill set and I would consider it the start of a new career more than a promotion
I think people in this community has very different employers: we have no management role. I simply do it all: strategy proposals (ok let call them stratigies....), HW picking and sizing, setup, debug, customer care, sweeping.
this has been so in every place I've worked in. do not expect any change in this. rather the contents of the work let me think about a promotion.
Unless you are the CEO or owner of the company, there is always a management role.
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT. You can say I am COO and CTO for IT here. But actually I am just a dumb guy.
Well, CIO. COO runs operations, the department that makes the actual products of the company. CTO is the head of engineering, the department makes the tools for IT to run. CIO is the head of IT / business infrastructure.
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@wirestyle22 said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Dashrender said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@dafyre said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Mike-Davis said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
It's pretty sad that people with tech skills only see their next step as moving to management.
I see the only step UP as management. Anything else that keeps me in the trenches, in my mind, is a lateral move.
Is there something wrong with lateral moves, especially if the pay more?
Also, would not an engineering role be a promotion vs now?
I think management is a completely different skill set and I would consider it the start of a new career more than a promotion
I think people in this community has very different employers: we have no management role. I simply do it all: strategy proposals (ok let call them stratigies....), HW picking and sizing, setup, debug, customer care, sweeping.
this has been so in every place I've worked in. do not expect any change in this. rather the contents of the work let me think about a promotion.
Unless you are the CEO or owner of the company, there is always a management role.
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT. You can say I am COO and CTO for IT here. But actually I am just a dumb guy.
Well, CIO. COO runs operations, the department that makes the actual products of the company. CTO is the head of engineering, the department makes the tools for IT to run. CIO is the head of IT / business infrastructure.
Just spent 2 half days wiring the warehouse....
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@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@wirestyle22 said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Dashrender said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@dafyre said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Mike-Davis said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
It's pretty sad that people with tech skills only see their next step as moving to management.
I see the only step UP as management. Anything else that keeps me in the trenches, in my mind, is a lateral move.
Is there something wrong with lateral moves, especially if the pay more?
Also, would not an engineering role be a promotion vs now?
I think management is a completely different skill set and I would consider it the start of a new career more than a promotion
I think people in this community has very different employers: we have no management role. I simply do it all: strategy proposals (ok let call them stratigies....), HW picking and sizing, setup, debug, customer care, sweeping.
this has been so in every place I've worked in. do not expect any change in this. rather the contents of the work let me think about a promotion.
Unless you are the CEO or owner of the company, there is always a management role.
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT. You can say I am COO and CTO for IT here. But actually I am just a dumb guy.
Well, CIO. COO runs operations, the department that makes the actual products of the company. CTO is the head of engineering, the department makes the tools for IT to run. CIO is the head of IT / business infrastructure.
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@matteo-nunziati said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@wirestyle22 said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Dashrender said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@dafyre said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
@Mike-Davis said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
It's pretty sad that people with tech skills only see their next step as moving to management.
I see the only step UP as management. Anything else that keeps me in the trenches, in my mind, is a lateral move.
Is there something wrong with lateral moves, especially if the pay more?
Also, would not an engineering role be a promotion vs now?
I think management is a completely different skill set and I would consider it the start of a new career more than a promotion
I think people in this community has very different employers: we have no management role. I simply do it all: strategy proposals (ok let call them stratigies....), HW picking and sizing, setup, debug, customer care, sweeping.
this has been so in every place I've worked in. do not expect any change in this. rather the contents of the work let me think about a promotion.
Unless you are the CEO or owner of the company, there is always a management role.
What I mean is I manage engineer and deply all in IT. You can say I am COO and CTO for IT here. But actually I am just a dumb guy.
Well, CIO. COO runs operations, the department that makes the actual products of the company. CTO is the head of engineering, the department makes the tools for IT to run. CIO is the head of IT / business infrastructure.
Just spent 2 half days wiring the warehouse....
eww
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@scottalanmiller oh! And cleaned up pcs with pressurized air.. don't know how you call it... And of course I've coordinated the whole job
I've also coordinated the local isp guys wiring fiber from road down into the warehouse. First time I've hundreds of meters of monomodal fiber...
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Pressurized air is clear. If it was pressurized in a can, we sometimes call it canned air.
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@scottalanmiller said in Negotiating for a Job You Are Leaving:
Pressurized air is clear. If it was pressurized in a can, we sometimes call it canned air.
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@coliver hail skroob
