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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      It requires no TECHNICAL knowledge in a business to get a good MSP. That's one of the first business flaws and a fundamental underpinning to many mistakes. You don't need good HR knowledge to hire good HR outsourcing companies. You don't need a law degree to hire a lawyer. Why do businesses need to be IT managers to hire an IT outsourcer?

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      • olivierO
        olivier @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

        It requires no TECHNICAL knowledge in a business to get a good MSP. That's one of the first business flaws and a fundamental underpinning to many mistakes. You don't need good HR knowledge to hire good HR outsourcing companies. You don't need a law degree to hire a lawyer. Why do businesses need to be IT managers to hire an IT outsourcer?

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        • scottalanmillerS
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          The implication that MSPs are bad and internal staff is good is that if someone is an unethical, incompetent MSP that you feel that they will improve by becoming an employee.

          My assertion is that the opposite is true. With an MSP, the same person gets a better support network, businesses get a better interface to the department, the risks of hiring are reduced, the need to pay for one person regardless of if they are qualified or not or have the right skills or not go away, you get scale, etc. I'm saying that the MSP structure fixes a huge number of issues with the direct hiring structure.

          But you are arguing that the actual people change their behaviour when hired directly, which I believe is unfounded.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @olivier
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            @olivier said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

            @scottalanmiller said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

            It requires no TECHNICAL knowledge in a business to get a good MSP. That's one of the first business flaws and a fundamental underpinning to many mistakes. You don't need good HR knowledge to hire good HR outsourcing companies. You don't need a law degree to hire a lawyer. Why do businesses need to be IT managers to hire an IT outsourcer?

            IT is a business function. If you had IT skills yourself, enough to hire based on knowing all the answers yourself, why would you be hiring someone else to do that? Outsourcing is moving skills out of the house, not duplicating them.

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            • olivierO
              olivier @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

              @olivier said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

              @scottalanmiller said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

              It requires no TECHNICAL knowledge in a business to get a good MSP. That's one of the first business flaws and a fundamental underpinning to many mistakes. You don't need good HR knowledge to hire good HR outsourcing companies. You don't need a law degree to hire a lawyer. Why do businesses need to be IT managers to hire an IT outsourcer?

              IT is a business function. If you had IT skills yourself, enough to hire based on knowing all the answers yourself, why would you be hiring someone else to do that? Outsourcing is moving skills out of the house, not duplicating them.

              I agree, but that sounded like inception 😉

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @olivier
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                @olivier said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                @scottalanmiller said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                @olivier said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                @scottalanmiller said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                It requires no TECHNICAL knowledge in a business to get a good MSP. That's one of the first business flaws and a fundamental underpinning to many mistakes. You don't need good HR knowledge to hire good HR outsourcing companies. You don't need a law degree to hire a lawyer. Why do businesses need to be IT managers to hire an IT outsourcer?

                IT is a business function. If you had IT skills yourself, enough to hire based on knowing all the answers yourself, why would you be hiring someone else to do that? Outsourcing is moving skills out of the house, not duplicating them.

                I agree, but that sounded like inception 😉

                ITception

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                • zuphzuphZ
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                  last edited by zuphzuph

                  Good quick write there. I totally agree... comes down to basic logic which is better safe than sorry. Not to say there aren't good open source solutions out there but often times it's not worth cutting cost corners if you're more exposed to risk.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @zuphzuph
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                    @zuphzuph said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                    Good quick write there. I totally agree... comes down to basic logic which is better safe than sorry. Not to say there aren't good open source solutions out there but often times it's not worth cutting cost corners if you're more exposed to risk.

                    Thanks

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                    • Emad RE
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                      @scottalanmiller

                      But I work for non profit organization ... where cheap means cheap

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @Emad R
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                        @msff-amman-Itofficer said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                        @scottalanmiller

                        But I work for non profit organization ... where cheap means cheap

                        Well sadly, that is the case for most NFP. But if they stopped being cheap and ran their shit like a business, they would earn more or be more efficient with their donations, and be able to use more money for whatever it is the NFP is supporting.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Emad R
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                          @msff-amman-Itofficer said in A Mandate to Be Cheap:

                          @scottalanmiller

                          But I work for non profit organization ... where cheap means cheap

                          As Jared points out, if their goal was to provide whatever service that their mandate is, they would not be cheap. Cheap is just another work for wasteful or ineffective.

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